From geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au  Tue Sep  2 23:19:37 2008
From: geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au (Geoffrey Grigg)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2008 23:19:37 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transition Meeting - Plus new hydrogen car
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From jdb at guru.com.au  Sat Sep  6 08:52:27 2008
From: jdb at guru.com.au (John Barlow)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:52:27 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: Transition Network: Newsletter Sept-08]
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From geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au  Sun Sep  7 14:35:43 2008
From: geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au (Geoffrey Grigg)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2008 14:35:43 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Welcome to our latest members - Transition Update
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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Mon Sep  8 10:34:34 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2008 10:34:34 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: [ttbega] ABC Radio tommorrow]
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From luandmoo at bigpond.com  Mon Sep  8 19:19:16 2008
From: luandmoo at bigpond.com (Cindy and Martin)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 19:19:16 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Meat production & climate change
Message-ID: <001201c91193$f7b8adf0$0200000a@yourfk3wzjtn19>

Here's a link to a great story on one of the worst polluters - meat production.
I know that we all know what it does but it's wonderful to see it finally being talked about in the 'mainstream'. Maybe someone should send it to Al Gore!  :)
It doesn't mention dairy production which has the same effect on the environment as meat production and is of course very relevant to us here in the Bega Valley....

http://news.bbc.co.uk:80/2/hi/science/nature/7600005.stm

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From geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au  Thu Sep 11 20:04:22 2008
From: geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au (Geoffrey Grigg)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 20:04:22 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transition Update - 11 September
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From: info at adobewebs.com (ADOBE WEBSITE DESIGNS)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2008 21:44:25 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Council Election - Bicycle Survey
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From geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au  Fri Sep 12 11:04:33 2008
From: geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au (Geoffrey Grigg)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
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From scott at greengoddess.net.au  Fri Sep 12 15:03:28 2008
From: scott at greengoddess.net.au (Scott White)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1221184803.13564.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
References: <mailman.9.1221184803.13564.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
Message-ID: <48C9F820.6000405@greengoddess.net.au>

Hi there,

I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out 
newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is 
brilliant but your dissemination of information through this newsletter 
is not.

Regards

Scott


transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
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> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
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From geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au  Fri Sep 12 15:37:15 2008
From: geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au (Geoffrey Grigg)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:15 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
In-Reply-To: <48C9F820.6000405@greengoddess.net.au>
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From admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au  Fri Sep 12 16:45:19 2008
From: admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au (Liane)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:45:19 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
In-Reply-To: <48CA000B.5090800@thebegavalley.org.au>
References: <mailman.9.1221184803.13564.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>	<48C9F820.6000405@greengoddess.net.au>
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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Fri Sep 12 17:43:45 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:43:45 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
In-Reply-To: <48CA0FFF.7020705@cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
References: <mailman.9.1221184803.13564.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>	<48C9F820.6000405@greengoddess.net.au>	<48CA000B.5090800@thebegavalley.org.au>
	<48CA0FFF.7020705@cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
Message-ID: <48CA1DB1.4040206@bigpond.net.au>

Thanks Liane,

Totally support what you have just said.

Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is not the 
ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback, positive 
or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction 
solutions.

kind regards
John

Liane wrote:

> Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the 
> countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to 
> our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable 
> communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.
>
> The CEFE team.
>
> Liane Shields - Administrator
> Clean Energy For Eternity
> http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
> admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
> 02 6492 0505(office)
>
>
> Geoffrey Grigg wrote:
>
>> Thanks Scott
>>
>> Yes - newsletters could be better...
>>
>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or 
>> actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is 
>> most welcome.
>>
>> Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects 
>> and TT is one of them.
>>
>> Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me) 
>> about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*
>>
>> Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are legible - 
>> make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is 
>> happening in the South East.
>>
>> For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to 
>> present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community 
>> website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/ 
>> website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to 
>> build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./
>>
>> So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters could 
>> be better - /or take that task on./
>>
>> It would be most appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks for your email.
>>
>> Geoffrey
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott White wrote:
>>
>>>Hi there,
>>>
>>>I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out 
>>>newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is 
>>>brilliant but your dissemination of information through this newsletter 
>>>is not.
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>   1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>Message: 1
>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>>From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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>>
>> -- 
>>
>> *Geoffrey Grigg,*
>> *02-6492 5000*
>> *0447 273 342*
>> *Project Coordinator, Community Network*
>> *Editor, Sustain Magazine*
>> geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au 
>> <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
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From vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au  Fri Sep 12 17:45:24 2008
From: vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au (Vicki Younger)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
In-Reply-To: <48CA000B.5090800@thebegavalley.org.au>
References: <mailman.9.1221184803.13564.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
	<48C9F820.6000405@greengoddess.net.au>
	<48CA000B.5090800@thebegavalley.org.au>
Message-ID: <192bc470809120045o40ef208dkfcd6102eee43315f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Scott and Geoffrey

Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.

Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
newsletter).

You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you might find
that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I believed
in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest meant less
emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the change
to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying faster and
easier.

I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters containing
images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and would
probably delay the process unnecessarily.


Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or actual
> physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most welcome.
>


The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go to the list
and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's been set
up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing lists over
the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and it's
easier to keep track of threads.

I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription section but
I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be worthwhile.

Vicki



-- 
Vicki Younger
Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
http://blog.redgumsoaps.com.au/
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From treedoc8 at bigpond.com  Fri Sep 12 19:16:14 2008
From: treedoc8 at bigpond.com (treedocs)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:16:14 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
References: <mailman.9.1221184803.13564.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au><48C9F820.6000405@greengoddess.net.au><48CA000B.5090800@thebegavalley.org.au>
	<192bc470809120045o40ef208dkfcd6102eee43315f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01c914b8$351311f0$5900000a@usera8aa3e2078>

To all you wined up "bloggers" out there, this is just the sort of drivell that gums up a working system.
Get over it, so Scottie doesnt like a newsletter...keep it to yourselves!
I dont want to withdraw from the newsletter mailing list just so I dont hear the dogs barking.
Peace to you all;
 Andrew.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Vicki Younger 
  To: Geoffrey Grigg 
  Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au 
  Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:45 PM
  Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters


  Hi Scott and Geoffrey

  Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that content is king.

  Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the newsletter).

  You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you might find that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I believed in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest meant less emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome, particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the change to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying faster and easier.

  I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters containing images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and would probably delay the process unnecessarily.



    Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most welcome.


  The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go to the list and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's been set up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing lists over the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and it's easier to keep track of threads.

  I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription section but I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be worthwhile.

  Vicki




  -- 
  Vicki Younger
  Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
  Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
  http://blog.redgumsoaps.com.au/



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From leahmaree at austarnet.com.au  Fri Sep 12 21:23:36 2008
From: leahmaree at austarnet.com.au (Leah Wilkinson)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:23:36 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
References: <mailman.4507.1221205340.5998.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
Message-ID: <000501c914ca$00630b10$5687dccb@Hal>

Hello to The Transition Towns Group

Well today's topics have certainly triggered people

Isn't is a great thing that we are here on the planet to learn and grow from 
one another

Transition Towns is not only about Energy Descent Plans it is about a much 
broader concept embedded in Permaculture

It is about working together, empathy, compassion and having a vision for 
our community

I am currently working with the community on the Austcom project South East 
Health

South East Health invests in social capital to build healthy communities

In other words our energies are invested in building relationship with 
ourselves, the environment and the community

It would be really helpful if Transition Towns focused on the concept of 
Energy Ascent Plans to build social capital

This will then have an inverse effect to support our practical goal of 
Energy Descent Plans

Thanks for Listening

Leah Wlkinson








----- Original Message ----- 
From: <transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au>
To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7


> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
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>
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>   1. Re: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 (Scott White)
>   2. Bad quality newsletters (Geoffrey Grigg)
>   3. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Liane)
>   4. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Champagne)
>   5. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Vicki Younger)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
> From: Scott White <scott at greengoddess.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> Message-ID: <48C9F820.6000405 at greengoddess.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi there,
>
> I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
> newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
> brilliant but your dissemination of information through this newsletter
> is not.
>
> Regards
>
> Scott
>
>
> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
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>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:15 +1000
> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
> Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:45:19 +1000
> From: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
> To: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:43:45 +1000
> From: Champagne <brogopg at bigpond.net.au>
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
> To: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> Message-ID: <48CA1DB1.4040206 at bigpond.net.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Thanks Liane,
>
> Totally support what you have just said.
>
> Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is not the
> ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback, positive
> or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction
> solutions.
>
> kind regards
> John
>
> Liane wrote:
>
>> Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the
>> countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to
>> our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable
>> communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.
>>
>> The CEFE team.
>>
>> Liane Shields - Administrator
>> Clean Energy For Eternity
>> http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>> admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>> 02 6492 0505(office)
>>
>>
>> Geoffrey Grigg wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Scott
>>>
>>> Yes - newsletters could be better...
>>>
>>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
>>> actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is
>>> most welcome.
>>>
>>> Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects
>>> and TT is one of them.
>>>
>>> Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me)
>>> about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*
>>>
>>> Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are legible -
>>> make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is
>>> happening in the South East.
>>>
>>> For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to
>>> present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community
>>> website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/
>>> website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to
>>> build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./
>>>
>>> So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters could
>>> be better - /or take that task on./
>>>
>>> It would be most appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks for your email.
>>>
>>> Geoffrey
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott White wrote:
>>>
>>>>Hi there,
>>>>
>>>>I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>>>newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>>>brilliant but your dissemination of information through this newsletter
>>>>is not.
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>
>>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>
>>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>
>>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>
>>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>>   1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>>>From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>>********************************************
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> *Geoffrey Grigg,*
>>> *02-6492 5000*
>>> *0447 273 342*
>>> *Project Coordinator, Community Network*
>>> *Editor, Sustain Magazine*
>>> geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
>>> <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> The Australian Community Network <http://australiancommunities.org.au>
>>> "The Central", Gipps St,
>>> Bega NSW 2550
>>>
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>>>
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>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>
>>>
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>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
> From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
> To: "Geoffrey Grigg" <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> Message-ID:
> <192bc470809120045o40ef208dkfcd6102eee43315f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Scott and Geoffrey
>
> Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.
>
> Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
> messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
> newsletter).
>
> You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you might find
> that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I 
> believed
> in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest meant less
> emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
> particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the 
> change
> to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying faster and
> easier.
>
> I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters containing
> images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and would
> probably delay the process unnecessarily.
>
>
> Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or 
> actual
>> physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most welcome.
>>
>
>
> The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go to the 
> list
> and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's been set
> up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
> subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing lists 
> over
> the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and it's
> easier to keep track of threads.
>
> I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription section 
> but
> I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be worthwhile.
>
> Vicki
>
>
>
> -- 
> Vicki Younger
> Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
> Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
> http://blog.redgumsoaps.com.au/
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> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>
>
> End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
> ******************************************** 


From anadodero at bigpond.com  Sat Sep 13 08:11:11 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:11:11 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] The Triangle group.
Message-ID: <008301c91524$77b757c0$3d9f8a90@19ffa783137a4f4>

Hi to whom it may concern,

I  - Ana Walker, coordinator of Cobargo Comm.Garden - would like to join efforts, meaning to work together with the group from 'The Triangle', Far South Coast of New Soth Wales, Australia.

I met a couple of persons from that group at the TT meeting held in Cobargo about a month ago. We only exchange a couple of words from the distance of our seats when we put our hands up to speak.

They were told 'please contact us....' as their meetings - The Triangle TT -  were at Tilba on Fridays mornings and nobody from my group could attend. 

Never heard from them again, except the comments of G.Grigg about some orchid in some place... they are 'reviving'??? sorry, I do not remember exactly what they are doing, I couldn't understand it either.

We - CCGarden now called "The Triangle Community of Gardeners" - had our 3er. meeting the 24th of August and nobody from TT assisted.

If you are there somewhere - The Triangle, Transition Towns - please contac us:
anadodero at bigpond.com
It woul be nice to have some more hands working towards a more sustainable- food -resources -future.

Ana Walker
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From scott at greengoddess.net.au  Sat Sep 13 10:37:48 2008
From: scott at greengoddess.net.au (Scott White)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 10:37:48 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4609.1221257256.5998.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
References: <mailman.4609.1221257256.5998.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
Message-ID: <48CB0B5C.60001@greengoddess.net.au>

To all who took offence to my comments i apologise. It was blunt but not 
meant as a personal attack on any person. I did not attack any person, i 
commented on the style and layout. If everyone feels it works well then 
please remove my comments.

Scott


transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
> 	transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> 	http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> 	transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
> 	transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Bad quality newsletters (treedocs)
>    2. Energy ASCENT Plan (Leah Wilkinson)
>    3. The Triangle group. (Ana Walker)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:16:14 +1000
> From: "treedocs" <treedoc8 at bigpond.com>
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
> To: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>,	"Geoffrey Grigg"
> 	<geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> Message-ID: <001f01c914b8$351311f0$5900000a at usera8aa3e2078>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> To all you wined up "bloggers" out there, this is just the sort of drivell that gums up a working system.
> Get over it, so Scottie doesnt like a newsletter...keep it to yourselves!
> I dont want to withdraw from the newsletter mailing list just so I dont hear the dogs barking.
> Peace to you all;
>  Andrew.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Vicki Younger 
>   To: Geoffrey Grigg 
>   Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au 
>   Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:45 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>
>
>   Hi Scott and Geoffrey
>
>   Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that content is king.
>
>   Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the newsletter).
>
>   You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you might find that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I believed in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest meant less emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome, particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the change to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying faster and easier.
>
>   I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters containing images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and would probably delay the process unnecessarily.
>
>
>
>     Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most welcome.
>
>
>   The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go to the list and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's been set up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing lists over the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and it's easier to keep track of threads.
>
>   I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription section but I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be worthwhile.
>
>   Vicki
>
>
>
>
>   -- 
>   Vicki Younger
>   Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
>   Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
>   http://blog.redgumsoaps.com.au/
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>   _______________________________________________
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> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:23:36 +1000
> From: "Leah Wilkinson" <leahmaree at austarnet.com.au>
> Subject: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
> To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
> Message-ID: <000501c914ca$00630b10$5687dccb at Hal>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> 	reply-type=original
>
> Hello to The Transition Towns Group
>
> Well today's topics have certainly triggered people
>
> Isn't is a great thing that we are here on the planet to learn and grow from 
> one another
>
> Transition Towns is not only about Energy Descent Plans it is about a much 
> broader concept embedded in Permaculture
>
> It is about working together, empathy, compassion and having a vision for 
> our community
>
> I am currently working with the community on the Austcom project South East 
> Health
>
> South East Health invests in social capital to build healthy communities
>
> In other words our energies are invested in building relationship with 
> ourselves, the environment and the community
>
> It would be really helpful if Transition Towns focused on the concept of 
> Energy Ascent Plans to build social capital
>
> This will then have an inverse effect to support our practical goal of 
> Energy Descent Plans
>
> Thanks for Listening
>
> Leah Wlkinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au>
> To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:42 PM
> Subject: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
>
>
>   
>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Re: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 (Scott White)
>>   2. Bad quality newsletters (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>   3. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Liane)
>>   4. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Champagne)
>>   5. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Vicki Younger)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
>> From: Scott White <scott at greengoddess.net.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID: <48C9F820.6000405 at greengoddess.net.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>> newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>> brilliant but your dissemination of information through this newsletter
>> is not.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>     
>>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>
>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>
>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>    1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>
>>>
>>> End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>> ********************************************
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:15 +1000
>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID: <48CA000B.5090800 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:45:19 +1000
>> From: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>> To: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID: <48CA0FFF.7020705 at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:43:45 +1000
>> From: Champagne <brogopg at bigpond.net.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>> To: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID: <48CA1DB1.4040206 at bigpond.net.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> Thanks Liane,
>>
>> Totally support what you have just said.
>>
>> Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is not the
>> ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback, positive
>> or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction
>> solutions.
>>
>> kind regards
>> John
>>
>> Liane wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the
>>> countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to
>>> our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable
>>> communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.
>>>
>>> The CEFE team.
>>>
>>> Liane Shields - Administrator
>>> Clean Energy For Eternity
>>> http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>> admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>> 02 6492 0505(office)
>>>
>>>
>>> Geoffrey Grigg wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Thanks Scott
>>>>
>>>> Yes - newsletters could be better...
>>>>
>>>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
>>>> actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is
>>>> most welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects
>>>> and TT is one of them.
>>>>
>>>> Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me)
>>>> about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*
>>>>
>>>> Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are legible -
>>>> make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is
>>>> happening in the South East.
>>>>
>>>> For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to
>>>> present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community
>>>> website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/
>>>> website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to
>>>> build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./
>>>>
>>>> So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters could
>>>> be better - /or take that task on./
>>>>
>>>> It would be most appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your email.
>>>>
>>>> Geoffrey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scott White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>>>> newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>>>> brilliant but your dissemination of information through this newsletter
>>>>> is not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>>>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>> Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>>>>>> URL: 
>>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/pipermail/transitiontown/attachments/20080912/11fb5804/attachment-0001.htm
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>>> ********************************************
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> *Geoffrey Grigg,*
>>>> *02-6492 5000*
>>>> *0447 273 342*
>>>> *Project Coordinator, Community Network*
>>>> *Editor, Sustain Magazine*
>>>> geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
>>>> <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>> The Australian Community Network <http://australiancommunities.org.au>
>>>> "The Central", Gipps St,
>>>> Bega NSW 2550
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
>> From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>> To: "Geoffrey Grigg" <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID:
>> <192bc470809120045o40ef208dkfcd6102eee43315f at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi Scott and Geoffrey
>>
>> Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.
>>
>> Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
>> messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
>> newsletter).
>>
>> You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you might find
>> that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I 
>> believed
>> in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest meant less
>> emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
>> particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the 
>> change
>> to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying faster and
>> easier.
>>
>> I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters containing
>> images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and would
>> probably delay the process unnecessarily.
>>
>>
>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or 
>> actual
>>     
>>> physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most welcome.
>>>
>>>       
>> The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go to the 
>> list
>> and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's been set
>> up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
>> subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing lists 
>> over
>> the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and it's
>> easier to keep track of threads.
>>
>> I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription section 
>> but
>> I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be worthwhile.
>>
>> Vicki
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Vicki Younger
>> Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
>> Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
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>>
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>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:11:11 +1000
> From: "Ana Walker" <anadodero at bigpond.com>
> Subject: [Transitiontown] The Triangle group.
> To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
> Message-ID: <008301c91524$77b757c0$3d9f8a90 at 19ffa783137a4f4>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi to whom it may concern,
>
> I  - Ana Walker, coordinator of Cobargo Comm.Garden - would like to join efforts, meaning to work together with the group from 'The Triangle', Far South Coast of New Soth Wales, Australia.
>
> I met a couple of persons from that group at the TT meeting held in Cobargo about a month ago. We only exchange a couple of words from the distance of our seats when we put our hands up to speak.
>
> They were told 'please contact us....' as their meetings - The Triangle TT -  were at Tilba on Fridays mornings and nobody from my group could attend. 
>
> Never heard from them again, except the comments of G.Grigg about some orchid in some place... they are 'reviving'??? sorry, I do not remember exactly what they are doing, I couldn't understand it either.
>
> We - CCGarden now called "The Triangle Community of Gardeners" - had our 3er. meeting the 24th of August and nobody from TT assisted.
>
> If you are there somewhere - The Triangle, Transition Towns - please contac us:
> anadodero at bigpond.com
> It woul be nice to have some more hands working towards a more sustainable- food -resources -future.
>
> Ana Walker
> 0417936746
>
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From scott at greengoddess.net.au  Sat Sep 13 11:12:28 2008
From: scott at greengoddess.net.au (Scott White)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:12:28 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 8
In-Reply-To: <48CB0B5C.60001@greengoddess.net.au>
References: <mailman.4609.1221257256.5998.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
	<48CB0B5C.60001@greengoddess.net.au>
Message-ID: <48CB137C.402@greengoddess.net.au>

An article by Richard Heinberg outlining plans to make communities resilient

Scott


Scott White wrote:
> To all who took offence to my comments i apologise. It was blunt but 
> not meant as a personal attack on any person. I did not attack any 
> person, i commented on the style and layout. If everyone feels it 
> works well then please remove my comments.
>
> Scott
>
>
> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>> 	transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>> 	http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>
>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>> 	transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>> 	transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>
>>
>> Today's Topics:
>>
>>    1. Re: Bad quality newsletters (treedocs)
>>    2. Energy ASCENT Plan (Leah Wilkinson)
>>    3. The Triangle group. (Ana Walker)
>>
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:16:14 +1000
>> From: "treedocs" <treedoc8 at bigpond.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>> To: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>,	"Geoffrey Grigg"
>> 	<geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID: <001f01c914b8$351311f0$5900000a at usera8aa3e2078>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> To all you wined up "bloggers" out there, this is just the sort of drivell that gums up a working system.
>> Get over it, so Scottie doesnt like a newsletter...keep it to yourselves!
>> I dont want to withdraw from the newsletter mailing list just so I dont hear the dogs barking.
>> Peace to you all;
>>  Andrew.
>>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>>   From: Vicki Younger 
>>   To: Geoffrey Grigg 
>>   Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au 
>>   Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:45 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>
>>
>>   Hi Scott and Geoffrey
>>
>>   Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that content is king.
>>
>>   Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the newsletter).
>>
>>   You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you might find that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I believed in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest meant less emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome, particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the change to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying faster and easier.
>>
>>   I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters containing images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and would probably delay the process unnecessarily.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most welcome.
>>
>>
>>   The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go to the list and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's been set up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing lists over the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and it's easier to keep track of threads.
>>
>>   I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription section but I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be worthwhile.
>>
>>   Vicki
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   -- 
>>   Vicki Younger
>>   Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
>>   Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
>>   http://blog.redgumsoaps.com.au/
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 21:23:36 +1000
>> From: "Leah Wilkinson" <leahmaree at austarnet.com.au>
>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
>> To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>> Message-ID: <000501c914ca$00630b10$5687dccb at Hal>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
>> 	reply-type=original
>>
>> Hello to The Transition Towns Group
>>
>> Well today's topics have certainly triggered people
>>
>> Isn't is a great thing that we are here on the planet to learn and grow from 
>> one another
>>
>> Transition Towns is not only about Energy Descent Plans it is about a much 
>> broader concept embedded in Permaculture
>>
>> It is about working together, empathy, compassion and having a vision for 
>> our community
>>
>> I am currently working with the community on the Austcom project South East 
>> Health
>>
>> South East Health invests in social capital to build healthy communities
>>
>> In other words our energies are invested in building relationship with 
>> ourselves, the environment and the community
>>
>> It would be really helpful if Transition Towns focused on the concept of 
>> Energy Ascent Plans to build social capital
>>
>> This will then have an inverse effect to support our practical goal of 
>> Energy Descent Plans
>>
>> Thanks for Listening
>>
>> Leah Wlkinson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: <transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au>
>> To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
>>
>>
>>   
>>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>
>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>
>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>
>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>
>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>   1. Re: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 (Scott White)
>>>   2. Bad quality newsletters (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>   3. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Liane)
>>>   4. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Champagne)
>>>   5. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Vicki Younger)
>>>
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
>>> From: Scott White <scott at greengoddess.net.au>
>>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID: <48C9F820.6000405 at greengoddess.net.au>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>> newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>> brilliant but your dissemination of information through this newsletter
>>> is not.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>     
>>>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>
>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>
>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>> Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
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>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>> ********************************************
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>       
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:15 +1000
>>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID: <48CA000B.5090800 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:45:19 +1000
>>> From: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>> To: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID: <48CA0FFF.7020705 at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>
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>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:43:45 +1000
>>> From: Champagne <brogopg at bigpond.net.au>
>>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>> To: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID: <48CA1DB1.4040206 at bigpond.net.au>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Thanks Liane,
>>>
>>> Totally support what you have just said.
>>>
>>> Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is not the
>>> ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback, positive
>>> or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction
>>> solutions.
>>>
>>> kind regards
>>> John
>>>
>>> Liane wrote:
>>>
>>>     
>>>> Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the
>>>> countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to
>>>> our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable
>>>> communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.
>>>>
>>>> The CEFE team.
>>>>
>>>> Liane Shields - Administrator
>>>> Clean Energy For Eternity
>>>> http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>>> admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>>> 02 6492 0505(office)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geoffrey Grigg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>       
>>>>> Thanks Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes - newsletters could be better...
>>>>>
>>>>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
>>>>> actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is
>>>>> most welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects
>>>>> and TT is one of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me)
>>>>> about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are legible -
>>>>> make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is
>>>>> happening in the South East.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to
>>>>> present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community
>>>>> website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/
>>>>> website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to
>>>>> build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./
>>>>>
>>>>> So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters could
>>>>> be better - /or take that task on./
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be most appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your email.
>>>>>
>>>>> Geoffrey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott White wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>>>>> newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>>>>> brilliant but your dissemination of information through this newsletter
>>>>>> is not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>>>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>>>>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>>>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>>>> ********************************************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>           
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>> *Geoffrey Grigg,*
>>>>> *02-6492 5000*
>>>>> *0447 273 342*
>>>>> *Project Coordinator, Community Network*
>>>>> *Editor, Sustain Magazine*
>>>>> geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
>>>>> <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>> The Australian Community Network <http://australiancommunities.org.au>
>>>>> "The Central", Gipps St,
>>>>> Bega NSW 2550
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         
>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
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>>>>
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>>>>       
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
>>> From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
>>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>> To: "Geoffrey Grigg" <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <192bc470809120045o40ef208dkfcd6102eee43315f at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Hi Scott and Geoffrey
>>>
>>> Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.
>>>
>>> Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
>>> messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
>>> newsletter).
>>>
>>> You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you might find
>>> that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I 
>>> believed
>>> in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest meant less
>>> emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
>>> particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the 
>>> change
>>> to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying faster and
>>> easier.
>>>
>>> I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters containing
>>> images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and would
>>> probably delay the process unnecessarily.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or 
>>> actual
>>>     
>>>> physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most welcome.
>>>>
>>>>       
>>> The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go to the 
>>> list
>>> and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's been set
>>> up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
>>> subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing lists 
>>> over
>>> the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and it's
>>> easier to keep track of threads.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription section 
>>> but
>>> I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be worthwhile.
>>>
>>> Vicki
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Vicki Younger
>>> Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
>>> Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
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>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>
>>>
>>> End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
>>> ******************************************** 
>>>     
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 08:11:11 +1000
>> From: "Ana Walker" <anadodero at bigpond.com>
>> Subject: [Transitiontown] The Triangle group.
>> To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>> Message-ID: <008301c91524$77b757c0$3d9f8a90 at 19ffa783137a4f4>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi to whom it may concern,
>>
>> I  - Ana Walker, coordinator of Cobargo Comm.Garden - would like to join efforts, meaning to work together with the group from 'The Triangle', Far South Coast of New Soth Wales, Australia.
>>
>> I met a couple of persons from that group at the TT meeting held in Cobargo about a month ago. We only exchange a couple of words from the distance of our seats when we put our hands up to speak.
>>
>> They were told 'please contact us....' as their meetings - The Triangle TT -  were at Tilba on Fridays mornings and nobody from my group could attend. 
>>
>> Never heard from them again, except the comments of G.Grigg about some orchid in some place... they are 'reviving'??? sorry, I do not remember exactly what they are doing, I couldn't understand it either.
>>
>> We - CCGarden now called "The Triangle Community of Gardeners" - had our 3er. meeting the 24th of August and nobody from TT assisted.
>>
>> If you are there somewhere - The Triangle, Transition Towns - please contac us:
>> anadodero at bigpond.com
>> It woul be nice to have some more hands working towards a more sustainable- food -resources -future.
>>
>> Ana Walker
>> 0417936746
>>
>>
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From geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au  Sat Sep 13 11:26:58 2008
From: geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au (Geoffrey Grigg)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 11:26:58 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Digest Mode on Mailing Lists
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From jennyspinks at acr.net.au  Sun Sep 14 08:49:46 2008
From: jennyspinks at acr.net.au (Jenny Spinks)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 08:49:46 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
In-Reply-To: <000501c914ca$00630b10$5687dccb@Hal>
References: <mailman.4507.1221205340.5998.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
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Well done Leah.

love, Jenny

At 09:23 PM 12-09-08, Leah Wilkinson wrote:

>Hello to The Transition Towns Group
>
>Well today's topics have certainly triggered people
>
>Isn't is a great thing that we are here on the planet to learn and grow from
>one another
>
>Transition Towns is not only about Energy Descent Plans it is about a much
>broader concept embedded in Permaculture
>
>It is about working together, empathy, compassion and having a vision for
>our community
>
>I am currently working with the community on the Austcom project South East
>Health
>
>South East Health invests in social capital to build healthy communities
>
>In other words our energies are invested in building relationship with
>ourselves, the environment and the community
>
>It would be really helpful if Transition Towns focused on the concept of
>Energy Ascent Plans to build social capital
>
>This will then have an inverse effect to support our practical goal of
>Energy Descent Plans
>
>Thanks for Listening
>
>Leah Wlkinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au>
>To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:42 PM
>Subject: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
>
>
> > Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
> > transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > 
> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
> >
> > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >   1. Re: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 (Scott White)
> >   2. Bad quality newsletters (Geoffrey Grigg)
> >   3. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Liane)
> >   4. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Champagne)
> >   5. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Vicki Younger)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
> > From: Scott White <scott at greengoddess.net.au>
> > Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
> > To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> > Message-ID: <48C9F820.6000405 at greengoddess.net.au>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >
> > Hi there,
> >
> > I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
> > newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
> > brilliant but your dissemination of information through this newsletter
> > is not.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
> >> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
> >> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >>
> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >> 
> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
> >>
> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
> >>
> >> You can reach the person managing the list at
> >> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
> >>
> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
> >>
> >>
> >> Today's Topics:
> >>
> >>    1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
> >>
> >>
> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>
> >> Message: 1
> >> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
> >> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
> >> Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
> >> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >> Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>
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> >> 
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> >> ------------------------------
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Transitiontown mailing list
> >> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >> 
> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
> >>
> >>
> >> End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
> >> ********************************************
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:15 +1000
> > From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
> > Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
> > To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> > Message-ID: <48CA000B.5090800 at thebegavalley.org.au>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
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> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:45:19 +1000
> > From: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
> > Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
> > To: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
> > Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> > Message-ID: <48CA0FFF.7020705 at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >
> > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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> > 
> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/pipermail/transitiontown/attachments/20080912/763b1574/attachment-0001.htm
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 4
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:43:45 +1000
> > From: Champagne <brogopg at bigpond.net.au>
> > Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
> > To: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
> > Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> > Message-ID: <48CA1DB1.4040206 at bigpond.net.au>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
> >
> > Thanks Liane,
> >
> > Totally support what you have just said.
> >
> > Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is not the
> > ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback, positive
> > or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction
> > solutions.
> >
> > kind regards
> > John
> >
> > Liane wrote:
> >
> >> Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the
> >> countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to
> >> our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable
> >> communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.
> >>
> >> The CEFE team.
> >>
> >> Liane Shields - Administrator
> >> Clean Energy For Eternity
> >> http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
> >> admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
> >> 02 6492 0505(office)
> >>
> >>
> >> Geoffrey Grigg wrote:
> >>
> >>> Thanks Scott
> >>>
> >>> Yes - newsletters could be better...
> >>>
> >>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
> >>> actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is
> >>> most welcome.
> >>>
> >>> Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects
> >>> and TT is one of them.
> >>>
> >>> Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me)
> >>> about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*
> >>>
> >>> Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are legible -
> >>> make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is
> >>> happening in the South East.
> >>>
> >>> For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to
> >>> present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community
> >>> website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/
> >>> website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to
> >>> build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./
> >>>
> >>> So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters could
> >>> be better - /or take that task on./
> >>>
> >>> It would be most appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for your email.
> >>>
> >>> Geoffrey
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Scott White wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>Hi there,
> >>>>
> >>>>I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
> >>>>newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
> >>>>brilliant but your dissemination of information through this newsletter
> >>>>is not.
> >>>>
> >>>>Regards
> >>>>
> >>>>Scott
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
> >>>>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >>>>>
> >>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> >>>>> 
> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
> >>>>>
> >>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> >>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
> >>>>>
> >>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
> >>>>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
> >>>>>
> >>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >>>>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Today's Topics:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Message: 1
> >>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
> >>>>>From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
> >>>>>Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
> >>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >>>>>Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
> >>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> >>>>>
> >>>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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> >>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/pipermail/transitiont 
> own/attachments/20080912/11fb5804/attachment-0001.htm
> >>>>>
> >>>>>------------------------------
> >>>>>
> >>>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
> >>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listi 
> nfo/transitiontown
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
> >>>>>********************************************
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>Transitiontown mailing list
> >>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listin 
> fo/transitiontown
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>>
> >>> *Geoffrey Grigg,*
> >>> *02-6492 5000*
> >>> *0447 273 342*
> >>> *Project Coordinator, Community Network*
> >>> *Editor, Sustain Magazine*
> >>> geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
> >>> <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
> >>> The Australian Community Network <http://australiancommunities.org.au>
> >>> "The Central", Gipps St,
> >>> Bega NSW 2550
> >>>
> >>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>Transitiontown mailing list
> >>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinf 
> o/transitiontown
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>
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> >>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo 
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> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 5
> > Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
> > From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
> > Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
> > To: "Geoffrey Grigg" <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
> > Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> > Message-ID:
> > <192bc470809120045o40ef208dkfcd6102eee43315f at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > Hi Scott and Geoffrey
> >
> > Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.
> >
> > Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
> > messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
> > newsletter).
> >
> > You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you might find
> > that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I
> > believed
> > in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest meant less
> > emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
> > particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the
> > change
> > to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying faster and
> > easier.
> >
> > I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters containing
> > images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and would
> > probably delay the process unnecessarily.
> >
> >
> > Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
> > actual
> >> physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most welcome.
> >>
> >
> >
> > The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go to the
> > list
> > and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's been set
> > up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
> > subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing lists
> > over
> > the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and it's
> > easier to keep track of threads.
> >
> > I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription section
> > but
> > I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be worthwhile.
> >
> > Vicki
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Vicki Younger
> > Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
> > Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
> > http://blog.redgumsoaps.com.au/
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> > 
> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
> >
> >
> > End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
> > ********************************************
>
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From greg at austcom.org.au  Sun Sep 14 12:09:42 2008
From: greg at austcom.org.au (Greg Coram)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:09:42 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
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From rainbird at skymesh.com.au  Mon Sep 15 10:30:08 2008
From: rainbird at skymesh.com.au (Jo Lewis)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:30:08 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
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I don't disagree with any of this but I have just spent the last two  
weeks in the company of some people who have close links and/or  
direct connection to climate science and while the matters of oil  
depletion and community development are obviously important to all of  
us they see disaster on the horizon in the form of climate change. It  
is evidenced in changes that are remote from us such as melting  
icecaps & methane outgassing in Siberia and is exacerbated by  
clearing forests in tropical areas. The North West Passage will be  
ice free in summer within a couple of years as will the Arctic Ocean  
and as a result there will be oil and gas exploration in the area -  
probably increasing the supply of oil and halting the drive for  
alternatives and incidentally increasing CO2 emissions even further.  
The Great Barrier Reef is probably doomed due to CO2 dissolving in  
sea water and making it slightly acid as well as increasing sea water  
temperatures and sea level rises are unpredictable because the ice  
melt in Greenland is unprecedented. Climate Change is our biggest  
challenge and we need to be aware of that and to exert whatever  
political pressure we can.
In 1972 the Club of Rome put out a book called Limits to Growth. It  
was widely criticised and generally rebuffed & debunked in much the  
same way as climate science has been attacked but in the last 6  
months the CSIRO have examined its assumptions and found one of the  
possible scenarios in the book closely matches the conditions we have  
experienced over the last 30 years. This scenario was the standard  
conditions - which closely resembles business as usual - and the end  
result of this scenario is predicted to be global economic and  
environmental collapse around 2050. Transition Towns may be just in  
time - but don't forget climate change is in the mix and might  
undermine all our efforts.
jo lewis
po box 157
bermagui 2546
rainbird at skymesh.com.au




On 12/09/2008, at 9:23 PM, Leah Wilkinson wrote:

> Hello to The Transition Towns Group
>
> Well today's topics have certainly triggered people
>
> Isn't is a great thing that we are here on the planet to learn and  
> grow from
> one another
>
> Transition Towns is not only about Energy Descent Plans it is about  
> a much
> broader concept embedded in Permaculture
>
> It is about working together, empathy, compassion and having a  
> vision for
> our community
>
> I am currently working with the community on the Austcom project  
> South East
> Health
>
> South East Health invests in social capital to build healthy  
> communities
>
> In other words our energies are invested in building relationship with
> ourselves, the environment and the community
>
> It would be really helpful if Transition Towns focused on the  
> concept of
> Energy Ascent Plans to build social capital
>
> This will then have an inverse effect to support our practical goal of
> Energy Descent Plans
>
> Thanks for Listening
>
> Leah Wlkinson
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au>
> To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:42 PM
> Subject: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
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>>   1. Re: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 (Scott White)
>>   2. Bad quality newsletters (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>   3. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Liane)
>>   4. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Champagne)
>>   5. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Vicki Younger)
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
>> From: Scott White <scott at greengoddess.net.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID: <48C9F820.6000405 at greengoddess.net.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>
>> Hi there,
>>
>> I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>> newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>> brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
>> newsletter
>> is not.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
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>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>    1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> --
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:15 +1000
>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:45:19 +1000
>> From: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>> To: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID: <48CA0FFF.7020705 at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:43:45 +1000
>> From: Champagne <brogopg at bigpond.net.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>> To: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID: <48CA1DB1.4040206 at bigpond.net.au>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>
>> Thanks Liane,
>>
>> Totally support what you have just said.
>>
>> Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is  
>> not the
>> ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback,  
>> positive
>> or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction
>> solutions.
>>
>> kind regards
>> John
>>
>> Liane wrote:
>>
>>> Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the
>>> countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to
>>> our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable
>>> communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.
>>>
>>> The CEFE team.
>>>
>>> Liane Shields - Administrator
>>> Clean Energy For Eternity
>>> http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>> admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>> 02 6492 0505(office)
>>>
>>>
>>> Geoffrey Grigg wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Scott
>>>>
>>>> Yes - newsletters could be better...
>>>>
>>>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that  
>>>> process or
>>>> actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is
>>>> most welcome.
>>>>
>>>> Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects
>>>> and TT is one of them.
>>>>
>>>> Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me)
>>>> about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*
>>>>
>>>> Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are  
>>>> legible -
>>>> make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is
>>>> happening in the South East.
>>>>
>>>> For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to
>>>> present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community
>>>> website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/
>>>> website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to
>>>> build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./
>>>>
>>>> So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters  
>>>> could
>>>> be better - /or take that task on./
>>>>
>>>> It would be most appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for your email.
>>>>
>>>> Geoffrey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Scott White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>>>> newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>>>> brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
>>>>> newsletter
>>>>> is not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>> specific
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>>>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>> Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>>> ********************************************
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> *Geoffrey Grigg,*
>>>> *02-6492 5000*
>>>> *0447 273 342*
>>>> *Project Coordinator, Community Network*
>>>> *Editor, Sustain Magazine*
>>>> geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
>>>> <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>> The Australian Community Network <http:// 
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
>> From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>> To: "Geoffrey Grigg" <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Message-ID:
>> <192bc470809120045o40ef208dkfcd6102eee43315f at mail.gmail.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>
>> Hi Scott and Geoffrey
>>
>> Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.
>>
>> Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
>> messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
>> newsletter).
>>
>> You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you  
>> might find
>> that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I
>> believed
>> in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest  
>> meant less
>> emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
>> particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the
>> change
>> to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying  
>> faster and
>> easier.
>>
>> I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters  
>> containing
>> images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and  
>> would
>> probably delay the process unnecessarily.
>>
>>
>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
>> actual
>>> physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most  
>>> welcome.
>>>
>>
>>
>> The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go  
>> to the
>> list
>> and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's  
>> been set
>> up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
>> subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing  
>> lists
>> over
>> the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and  
>> it's
>> easier to keep track of threads.
>>
>> I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription  
>> section
>> but
>> I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be  
>> worthwhile.
>>
>> Vicki
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Vicki Younger
>> Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
>> Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
>> http://blog.redgumsoaps.com.au/
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From scott at greengoddess.net.au  Mon Sep 15 10:43:23 2008
From: scott at greengoddess.net.au (Scott White)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:43:23 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4871.1221438465.5998.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
References: <mailman.4871.1221438465.5998.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
Message-ID: <48CDAFAB.6050600@greengoddess.net.au>

Re: Jo Lewis comments

I think what is being ignored in the whole Transition/Relocalisation 
movement is the collapse of paper currencies sending the globe into 
Depression living conditions, similar but worse than the Great 
Depression. There is very little community resilience today. The third 
quarter profit (loss) results coming out of the US at the end of the 
month will uncover some very shady dealings starting with Leaman Bros.

There will be no 'money' in the system to create change. This will bring 
rise to community currencies. This also brings great opportunities to 
achieve the goals of relocalisation if there is a core group and plan 
strategically placed to take advantage of the power vacuum.

Scott

transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
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>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:09:42 +1000
> From: Greg Coram <greg at austcom.org.au>
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
> To: transition <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:30:08 +1000
> From: Jo Lewis <rainbird at skymesh.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
> To: Leah Wilkinson <leahmaree at austarnet.com.au>
> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> Message-ID: <748D2C43-8857-42BF-A379-758353F6641A at skymesh.com.au>
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> I don't disagree with any of this but I have just spent the last two  
> weeks in the company of some people who have close links and/or  
> direct connection to climate science and while the matters of oil  
> depletion and community development are obviously important to all of  
> us they see disaster on the horizon in the form of climate change. It  
> is evidenced in changes that are remote from us such as melting  
> icecaps & methane outgassing in Siberia and is exacerbated by  
> clearing forests in tropical areas. The North West Passage will be  
> ice free in summer within a couple of years as will the Arctic Ocean  
> and as a result there will be oil and gas exploration in the area -  
> probably increasing the supply of oil and halting the drive for  
> alternatives and incidentally increasing CO2 emissions even further.  
> The Great Barrier Reef is probably doomed due to CO2 dissolving in  
> sea water and making it slightly acid as well as increasing sea water  
> temperatures and sea level rises are unpredictable because the ice  
> melt in Greenland is unprecedented. Climate Change is our biggest  
> challenge and we need to be aware of that and to exert whatever  
> political pressure we can.
> In 1972 the Club of Rome put out a book called Limits to Growth. It  
> was widely criticised and generally rebuffed & debunked in much the  
> same way as climate science has been attacked but in the last 6  
> months the CSIRO have examined its assumptions and found one of the  
> possible scenarios in the book closely matches the conditions we have  
> experienced over the last 30 years. This scenario was the standard  
> conditions - which closely resembles business as usual - and the end  
> result of this scenario is predicted to be global economic and  
> environmental collapse around 2050. Transition Towns may be just in  
> time - but don't forget climate change is in the mix and might  
> undermine all our efforts.
> jo lewis
> po box 157
> bermagui 2546
> rainbird at skymesh.com.au
>
>
>
>
> On 12/09/2008, at 9:23 PM, Leah Wilkinson wrote:
>
>   
>> Hello to The Transition Towns Group
>>
>> Well today's topics have certainly triggered people
>>
>> Isn't is a great thing that we are here on the planet to learn and  
>> grow from
>> one another
>>
>> Transition Towns is not only about Energy Descent Plans it is about  
>> a much
>> broader concept embedded in Permaculture
>>
>> It is about working together, empathy, compassion and having a  
>> vision for
>> our community
>>
>> I am currently working with the community on the Austcom project  
>> South East
>> Health
>>
>> South East Health invests in social capital to build healthy  
>> communities
>>
>> In other words our energies are invested in building relationship with
>> ourselves, the environment and the community
>>
>> It would be really helpful if Transition Towns focused on the  
>> concept of
>> Energy Ascent Plans to build social capital
>>
>> This will then have an inverse effect to support our practical goal of
>> Energy Descent Plans
>>
>> Thanks for Listening
>>
>> Leah Wlkinson
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au>
>> To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>> Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:42 PM
>> Subject: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
>>
>>
>>     
>>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
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>>>
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>>>
>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
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>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>
>>>
>>> Today's Topics:
>>>
>>>   1. Re: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 (Scott White)
>>>   2. Bad quality newsletters (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>   3. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Liane)
>>>   4. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Champagne)
>>>   5. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Vicki Younger)
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>> -
>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
>>> From: Scott White <scott at greengoddess.net.au>
>>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID: <48C9F820.6000405 at greengoddess.net.au>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Hi there,
>>>
>>> I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>> newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>> brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
>>> newsletter
>>> is not.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>
>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>> listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>
>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>
>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>
>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>    1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> Message: 1
>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>> Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
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>>>>
>>>> End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>> ********************************************
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:15 +1000
>>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID: <48CA000B.5090800 at thebegavalley.org.au>
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>>>
>>> Message: 3
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:45:19 +1000
>>> From: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>> To: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID: <48CA0FFF.7020705 at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
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>>>
>>> Message: 4
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:43:45 +1000
>>> From: Champagne <brogopg at bigpond.net.au>
>>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>> To: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID: <48CA1DB1.4040206 at bigpond.net.au>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>
>>> Thanks Liane,
>>>
>>> Totally support what you have just said.
>>>
>>> Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is  
>>> not the
>>> ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback,  
>>> positive
>>> or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction
>>> solutions.
>>>
>>> kind regards
>>> John
>>>
>>> Liane wrote:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the
>>>> countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to
>>>> our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable
>>>> communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.
>>>>
>>>> The CEFE team.
>>>>
>>>> Liane Shields - Administrator
>>>> Clean Energy For Eternity
>>>> http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>>> admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>>> 02 6492 0505(office)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Geoffrey Grigg wrote:
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> Thanks Scott
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes - newsletters could be better...
>>>>>
>>>>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that  
>>>>> process or
>>>>> actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is
>>>>> most welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects
>>>>> and TT is one of them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me)
>>>>> about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*
>>>>>
>>>>> Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are  
>>>>> legible -
>>>>> make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is
>>>>> happening in the South East.
>>>>>
>>>>> For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to
>>>>> present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community
>>>>> website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/
>>>>> website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to
>>>>> build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./
>>>>>
>>>>> So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters  
>>>>> could
>>>>> be better - /or take that task on./
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be most appreciated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for your email.
>>>>>
>>>>> Geoffrey
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Scott White wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi there,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>>>>> newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>>>>> brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
>>>>>> newsletter
>>>>>> is not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>> listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>>> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>>> transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more  
>>>>>>> specific
>>>>>>> than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>> -----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>>>>> From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>>>>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>> Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>> listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>>>> ********************************************
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>> listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>> *Geoffrey Grigg,*
>>>>> *02-6492 5000*
>>>>> *0447 273 342*
>>>>> *Project Coordinator, Community Network*
>>>>> *Editor, Sustain Magazine*
>>>>> geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
>>>>> <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>> The Australian Community Network <http:// 
>>>>> australiancommunities.org.au>
>>>>> "The Central", Gipps St,
>>>>> Bega NSW 2550
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>> -----
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>> listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>> ----
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Transitiontown mailing list
>>>> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>> listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>         
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Message: 5
>>> Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
>>> From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
>>> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>> To: "Geoffrey Grigg" <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>> Message-ID:
>>> <192bc470809120045o40ef208dkfcd6102eee43315f at mail.gmail.com>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>
>>> Hi Scott and Geoffrey
>>>
>>> Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.
>>>
>>> Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
>>> messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
>>> newsletter).
>>>
>>> You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you  
>>> might find
>>> that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I
>>> believed
>>> in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest  
>>> meant less
>>> emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
>>> particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the
>>> change
>>> to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying  
>>> faster and
>>> easier.
>>>
>>> I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters  
>>> containing
>>> images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and  
>>> would
>>> probably delay the process unnecessarily.
>>>
>>>
>>> Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
>>> actual
>>>       
>>>> physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most  
>>>> welcome.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go  
>>> to the
>>> list
>>> and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's  
>>> been set
>>> up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
>>> subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing  
>>> lists
>>> over
>>> the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and  
>>> it's
>>> easier to keep track of threads.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription  
>>> section
>>> but
>>> I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be  
>>> worthwhile.
>>>
>>> Vicki
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Vicki Younger
>>> Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
>>> Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Mon Sep 15 12:02:00 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:02:00 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
In-Reply-To: <48CDAFAB.6050600@greengoddess.net.au>
References: <mailman.4871.1221438465.5998.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
	<48CDAFAB.6050600@greengoddess.net.au>
Message-ID: <48CDC218.4010104@bigpond.net.au>

Exactly Scott,

A big problem looming for the 'conventional' environmental movement 
regarding the realities of Peak Oil is....where will they spend their 
available voluntary energy?

kind regards
John

Scott White wrote:

> Re: Jo Lewis comments
>
> I think what is being ignored in the whole Transition/Relocalisation 
> movement is the collapse of paper currencies sending the globe into 
> Depression living conditions, similar but worse than the Great 
> Depression. There is very little community resilience today. The third 
> quarter profit (loss) results coming out of the US at the end of the 
> month will uncover some very shady dealings starting with Leaman Bros.
>
> There will be no 'money' in the system to create change. This will 
> bring rise to community currencies. This also brings great 
> opportunities to achieve the goals of relocalisation if there is a 
> core group and plan strategically placed to take advantage of the 
> power vacuum.
>
> Scott
>
> transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>
>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>	transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>	http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>
>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>	transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>	transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>
>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>
>>
>>Today's Topics:
>>
>>   1. Re: Energy ASCENT Plan (Greg Coram)
>>   2. Re: Energy ASCENT Plan (Jo Lewis)
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:09:42 +1000
>>From: Greg Coram <greg at austcom.org.au>
>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
>>To: transition <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>>Message-ID: <48CC7266.6050707 at austcom.org.au>
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>>Message: 2
>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:30:08 +1000
>>From: Jo Lewis <rainbird at skymesh.com.au>
>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
>>To: Leah Wilkinson <leahmaree at austarnet.com.au>
>>Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>Message-ID: <748D2C43-8857-42BF-A379-758353F6641A at skymesh.com.au>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>>I don't disagree with any of this but I have just spent the last two  
>>weeks in the company of some people who have close links and/or  
>>direct connection to climate science and while the matters of oil  
>>depletion and community development are obviously important to all of  
>>us they see disaster on the horizon in the form of climate change. It  
>>is evidenced in changes that are remote from us such as melting  
>>icecaps & methane outgassing in Siberia and is exacerbated by  
>>clearing forests in tropical areas. The North West Passage will be  
>>ice free in summer within a couple of years as will the Arctic Ocean  
>>and as a result there will be oil and gas exploration in the area -  
>>probably increasing the supply of oil and halting the drive for  
>>alternatives and incidentally increasing CO2 emissions even further.  
>>The Great Barrier Reef is probably doomed due to CO2 dissolving in  
>>sea water and making it slightly acid as well as increasing sea water  
>>temperatures and sea level rises are unpredictable because the ice  
>>melt in Greenland is unprecedented. Climate Change is our biggest  
>>challenge and we need to be aware of that and to exert whatever  
>>political pressure we can.
>>In 1972 the Club of Rome put out a book called Limits to Growth. It  
>>was widely criticised and generally rebuffed & debunked in much the  
>>same way as climate science has been attacked but in the last 6  
>>months the CSIRO have examined its assumptions and found one of the  
>>possible scenarios in the book closely matches the conditions we have  
>>experienced over the last 30 years. This scenario was the standard  
>>conditions - which closely resembles business as usual - and the end  
>>result of this scenario is predicted to be global economic and  
>>environmental collapse around 2050. Transition Towns may be just in  
>>time - but don't forget climate change is in the mix and might  
>>undermine all our efforts.
>>jo lewis
>>po box 157
>>bermagui 2546
>>rainbird at skymesh.com.au
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On 12/09/2008, at 9:23 PM, Leah Wilkinson wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>>Hello to The Transition Towns Group
>>>
>>>Well today's topics have certainly triggered people
>>>
>>>Isn't is a great thing that we are here on the planet to learn and  
>>>grow from
>>>one another
>>>
>>>Transition Towns is not only about Energy Descent Plans it is about  
>>>a much
>>>broader concept embedded in Permaculture
>>>
>>>It is about working together, empathy, compassion and having a  
>>>vision for
>>>our community
>>>
>>>I am currently working with the community on the Austcom project  
>>>South East
>>>Health
>>>
>>>South East Health invests in social capital to build healthy  
>>>communities
>>>
>>>In other words our energies are invested in building relationship with
>>>ourselves, the environment and the community
>>>
>>>It would be really helpful if Transition Towns focused on the  
>>>concept of
>>>Energy Ascent Plans to build social capital
>>>
>>>This will then have an inverse effect to support our practical goal of
>>>Energy Descent Plans
>>>
>>>Thanks for Listening
>>>
>>>Leah Wlkinson
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: <transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au>
>>>To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>>>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:42 PM
>>>Subject: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
>>>
>>>
>>>    
>>>
>>>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>
>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>>>transitiontown
>>>>
>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>
>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>
>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>
>>>>  1. Re: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 (Scott White)
>>>>  2. Bad quality newsletters (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>  3. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Liane)
>>>>  4. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Champagne)
>>>>  5. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Vicki Younger)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>-
>>>>
>>>>Message: 1
>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
>>>>From: Scott White <scott at greengoddess.net.au>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>Message-ID: <48C9F820.6000405 at greengoddess.net.au>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>>Hi there,
>>>>
>>>>I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>>>newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>>>brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
>>>>newsletter
>>>>is not.
>>>>
>>>>Regards
>>>>
>>>>Scott
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>>transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>
>>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>
>>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>
>>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>
>>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>
>>>>>   1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>--
>>>>>
>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>>>From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>>********************************************
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Message: 2
>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:15 +1000
>>>>From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>Message-ID: <48CA000B.5090800 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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>>>>attachments/20080912/006917b8/attachment-0001.htm
>>>>
>>>>------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Message: 3
>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:45:19 +1000
>>>>From: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>>>To: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>Message-ID: <48CA0FFF.7020705 at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>
>>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
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>>>>attachments/20080912/763b1574/attachment-0001.htm
>>>>
>>>>------------------------------
>>>>
>>>>Message: 4
>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:43:45 +1000
>>>>From: Champagne <brogopg at bigpond.net.au>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>>>To: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>>>Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>Message-ID: <48CA1DB1.4040206 at bigpond.net.au>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>
>>>>Thanks Liane,
>>>>
>>>>Totally support what you have just said.
>>>>
>>>>Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is  
>>>>not the
>>>>ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback,  
>>>>positive
>>>>or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction
>>>>solutions.
>>>>
>>>>kind regards
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>Liane wrote:
>>>>
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the
>>>>>countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to
>>>>>our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable
>>>>>communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.
>>>>>
>>>>>The CEFE team.
>>>>>
>>>>>Liane Shields - Administrator
>>>>>Clean Energy For Eternity
>>>>>http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>>>>admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>>>>02 6492 0505(office)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Geoffrey Grigg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks Scott
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes - newsletters could be better...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any additional information you can provide to improve that  
>>>>>>process or
>>>>>>actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is
>>>>>>most welcome.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects
>>>>>>and TT is one of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me)
>>>>>>about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are  
>>>>>>legible -
>>>>>>make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is
>>>>>>happening in the South East.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to
>>>>>>present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community
>>>>>>website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/
>>>>>>website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to
>>>>>>build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters  
>>>>>>could
>>>>>>be better - /or take that task on./
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It would be most appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for your email.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Geoffrey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Scott White wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>          
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>>>>>>newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>>>>>>brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
>>>>>>>newsletter
>>>>>>>is not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Scott
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>>>transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>>>>transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more  
>>>>>>>>specific
>>>>>>>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>>-----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>>>>>>From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>>>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
>>>>>>>>URL:
>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/pipermail/ 
>>>>>>>>transitiontown/attachments/20080912/11fb5804/attachment-0001.htm
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>>>>>********************************************
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>*Geoffrey Grigg,*
>>>>>>*02-6492 5000*
>>>>>>*0447 273 342*
>>>>>>*Project Coordinator, Community Network*
>>>>>>*Editor, Sustain Magazine*
>>>>>>geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
>>>>>><mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>The Australian Community Network <http:// 
>>>>>>australiancommunities.org.au>
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>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
>>>>From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
>>>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>>>To: "Geoffrey Grigg" <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>Message-ID:
>>>><192bc470809120045o40ef208dkfcd6102eee43315f at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>
>>>>Hi Scott and Geoffrey
>>>>
>>>>Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.
>>>>
>>>>Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
>>>>messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
>>>>newsletter).
>>>>
>>>>You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you  
>>>>might find
>>>>that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I
>>>>believed
>>>>in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest  
>>>>meant less
>>>>emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
>>>>particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the
>>>>change
>>>>to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying  
>>>>faster and
>>>>easier.
>>>>
>>>>I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters  
>>>>containing
>>>>images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and  
>>>>would
>>>>probably delay the process unnecessarily.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
>>>>actual
>>>>      
>>>>
>>>>>physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most  
>>>>>welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>>        
>>>>>
>>>>The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go  
>>>>to the
>>>>list
>>>>and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's  
>>>>been set
>>>>up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
>>>>subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing  
>>>>lists
>>>>over
>>>>the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and  
>>>>it's
>>>>easier to keep track of threads.
>>>>
>>>>I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription  
>>>>section
>>>>but
>>>>I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be  
>>>>worthwhile.
>>>>
>>>>Vicki
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-- 
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Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:06:52 +1000
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From pen at snowgrass.com.au  Mon Sep 15 14:22:37 2008
From: pen at snowgrass.com.au (Penny Cook)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:22:37 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
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Greeting TTers

 

I've been reading this discussion with some interest and would like to
encourage you all to listen to this talk by Bjorn Lomborg on TedTalks early
this year.  It puts things a little more into perspective, notwithstanding
the seriousness of all present environmental issues.

 

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/bjorn_lomborg_sets_global_priorities.html


 

Cheers

 

Penny 

  _____  

From: transitiontown-bounces at australiancommunities.org.au
[mailto:transitiontown-bounces at australiancommunities.org.au] On Behalf Of
Greg Coram
Sent: Monday, 15 September 2008 1:07 PM
To: transition
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14

 

I couldnt agree more that we face serious threats from global warming, peak
oil, unstable global and unjust financial markets, global food crisis,
global fresh water crisis, continuing poverty in sub-saharan africa, loss of
biodiversity, all these leading to national security issues (more wars
looming) the global list goes on, with issues we havent even thought of yet
on the way.
Locally we have serious holes in youth services, health and employment and
this list goes on.

My point is TT cant take of everything. It can offer structure, coordination
and support to existing groups where they exist. If local environment groups
are missing some aspects then TT can provide direction,support and
assistance, they are listening. It seems to me that strengthening existing
structure within environment groups, lets, health groups etc. is the way to
go rather then reinventing the wheel and risking undermining their good
work. We also need to create social infrastructure where it is missing eg
youth services (fling being the only sustainable group that comes to mind),
food coordination services (none existant at present), bridging the huge
chasm between community groups and the three levels of government etc.
Liaising with National Not-For-Profits with common goals and larger
resources.  TT can provide support to Austcom in spreading communication
tools like the one Im using now. Austcom like all groups is happy
incorporate programs from TT should they be developed. Austcom and other
groups could and would also promote TT in new areas as it is offering
structure that is in the interest of the entire community sector.

By taking on all issues directly from the core, TT groups will be over
stretching resources and entering divisive areas. For instance holding
public talks on Peak Oil attracts predominately left wing progressives and
labels TT as left wing group to the conservatives. Conservatives however are
apart of the solution like it or not. If the farmers, churches and business
owners are not engaged by TT then TT is little more then a hopeful leftist
revolutionary group (not a bad thing, but requires time we dont have, Im all
for a good revolution but...). 

Anybody remember when Nuclear Disarmament was the core issue in the 80's ?
Well Nuclear proliferation was not reduced an ounce and the threat of use
has never been higher then now. Yet the issue is gone, the public and media
got bored with it. The same will happen with global warming and peak oil
when water becomes the greater local threat. Single issue groups will come
and go and if they do not focus on community capacity they leave nothing
behind.

Central to both left wing progressive and right wing conservative politics
is the idea of an empowered community.  TT has the structure behind it to do
this and coordinate the community sector to work towards a common vision of
a community proactively working towards positive outcomes rather then the
ongoing chaos of reacting to the  threats of the day. It may seem sensible
that people should be motivated by serious threats, but history shows they
are not. History also shows they can be motivated by gains.

I have dealt with most community groups in The Bega Valley region and all of
them would be open to adopting TT ideas if presented with them. These are
already willing workers in numbers that TT will not achieve internally. They
already have the passion and skills within their interest areas. They have
not shown they have the structure to work together.  Why not work with what
we have ?



Greg Coram
Austcom - President
http://austcom.org.au
greg at austcom.org.au
02 6492 5000(office)
02 6492 4920(home)

building sustainable communities...



Champagne wrote: 

Exactly Scott,
 
A big problem looming for the 'conventional' environmental movement 
regarding the realities of Peak Oil is....where will they spend their 
available voluntary energy?
 
kind regards
John
 
Scott White wrote:
 
  

Re: Jo Lewis comments
 
I think what is being ignored in the whole Transition/Relocalisation 
movement is the collapse of paper currencies sending the globe into 
Depression living conditions, similar but worse than the Great 
Depression. There is very little community resilience today. The third 
quarter profit (loss) results coming out of the US at the end of the 
month will uncover some very shady dealings starting with Leaman Bros.
 
There will be no 'money' in the system to create change. This will 
bring rise to community currencies. This also brings great 
opportunities to achieve the goals of relocalisation if there is a 
core group and plan strategically placed to take advantage of the 
power vacuum.
 
Scott
 
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Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
To: transition  <mailto:transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
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From: Jo Lewis  <mailto:rainbird at skymesh.com.au> <rainbird at skymesh.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
To: Leah Wilkinson  <mailto:leahmaree at austarnet.com.au>
<leahmaree at austarnet.com.au>
Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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I don't disagree with any of this but I have just spent the last two  
weeks in the company of some people who have close links and/or  
direct connection to climate science and while the matters of oil  
depletion and community development are obviously important to all of  
us they see disaster on the horizon in the form of climate change. It  
is evidenced in changes that are remote from us such as melting  
icecaps & methane outgassing in Siberia and is exacerbated by  
clearing forests in tropical areas. The North West Passage will be  
ice free in summer within a couple of years as will the Arctic Ocean  
and as a result there will be oil and gas exploration in the area -  
probably increasing the supply of oil and halting the drive for  
alternatives and incidentally increasing CO2 emissions even further.  
The Great Barrier Reef is probably doomed due to CO2 dissolving in  
sea water and making it slightly acid as well as increasing sea water  
temperatures and sea level rises are unpredictable because the ice  
melt in Greenland is unprecedented. Climate Change is our biggest  
challenge and we need to be aware of that and to exert whatever  
political pressure we can.
In 1972 the Club of Rome put out a book called Limits to Growth. It  
was widely criticised and generally rebuffed & debunked in much the  
same way as climate science has been attacked but in the last 6  
months the CSIRO have examined its assumptions and found one of the  
possible scenarios in the book closely matches the conditions we have  
experienced over the last 30 years. This scenario was the standard  
conditions - which closely resembles business as usual - and the end  
result of this scenario is predicted to be global economic and  
environmental collapse around 2050. Transition Towns may be just in  
time - but don't forget climate change is in the mix and might  
undermine all our efforts.
jo lewis
po box 157
bermagui 2546
rainbird at skymesh.com.au
 
 
 
 
On 12/09/2008, at 9:23 PM, Leah Wilkinson wrote:
 
 
 
      

Hello to The Transition Towns Group
 
Well today's topics have certainly triggered people
 
Isn't is a great thing that we are here on the planet to learn and  
grow from
one another
 
Transition Towns is not only about Energy Descent Plans it is about  
a much
broader concept embedded in Permaculture
 
It is about working together, empathy, compassion and having a  
vision for
our community
 
I am currently working with the community on the Austcom project  
South East
Health
 
South East Health invests in social capital to build healthy  
communities
 
In other words our energies are invested in building relationship with
ourselves, the environment and the community
 
It would be really helpful if Transition Towns focused on the  
concept of
Energy Ascent Plans to build social capital
 
This will then have an inverse effect to support our practical goal of
Energy Descent Plans
 
Thanks for Listening
 
Leah Wlkinson
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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<transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:42 PM
Subject: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
 
 
   
 
        

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Today's Topics:
 
 1. Re: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 (Scott White)
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 3. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Liane)
 4. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Champagne)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
From: Scott White  <mailto:scott at greengoddess.net.au>
<scott at greengoddess.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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Hi there,
 
I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
newsletter
is not.
 
Regards
 
Scott
 
 
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<geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
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From: Liane  <mailto:admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
<admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
To: Geoffrey Grigg  <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
<geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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From: Champagne  <mailto:brogopg at bigpond.net.au> <brogopg at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
To: Liane  <mailto:admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
<admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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Thanks Liane,
 
Totally support what you have just said.
 
Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is  
not the
ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback,  
positive
or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction
solutions.
 
kind regards
John
 
Liane wrote:
 
     
 
          

Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the
countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to
our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable
communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.
 
The CEFE team.
 
Liane Shields - Administrator
Clean Energy For Eternity
http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
02 6492 0505(office)
 
 
Geoffrey Grigg wrote:
 
       
 
            

Thanks Scott
 
Yes - newsletters could be better...
 
Any additional information you can provide to improve that  
process or
actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is
most welcome.
 
Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects
and TT is one of them.
 
Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me)
about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*
 
Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are  
legible -
make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is
happening in the South East.
 
For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to
present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community
website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/
website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to
build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./
 
So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters  
could
be better - /or take that task on./
 
It would be most appreciated.
 
Thanks for your email.
 
Geoffrey
 
 
 
Scott White wrote:
 
         
 
              

Hi there,
 
I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
newsletter
is not.
 
Regards
 
Scott
 
 
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*0447 273 342*
*Project Coordinator, Community Network*
*Editor, Sustain Magazine*
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 <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
From: "Vicki Younger"  <mailto:vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
<vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
To: "Geoffrey Grigg"  <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
<geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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Hi Scott and Geoffrey
 
Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.
 
Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
newsletter).
 
You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you  
might find
that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I
believed
in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest  
meant less
emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the
change
to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying  
faster and
easier.
 
I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters  
containing
images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and  
would
probably delay the process unnecessarily.
 
 
Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
actual
     
 
          

physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most  
welcome.
 
       
 
            

The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go  
to the
list
and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's  
been set
up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing  
lists
over
the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and  
it's
easier to keep track of threads.
 
I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription  
section
but
I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be  
worthwhile.
 
Vicki
 
 
 
-- 
Vicki Younger
Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
http://blog.redgumsoaps.com.au/
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From vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au  Mon Sep 15 14:43:42 2008
From: vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au (Vicki Younger)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:43:42 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
In-Reply-To: <748D2C43-8857-42BF-A379-758353F6641A@skymesh.com.au>
References: <mailman.4507.1221205340.5998.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>
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Hi Jo


I don't disagree with any of this but I have just spent the last two weeks
> in the company of some people who have close links and/or direct connection
> to climate science and while the matters of oil depletion and community
> development are obviously important to all of us they see disaster on the
> horizon in the form of climate change.
>


Yes, too many problems and not enough solutions...

The interesting thing is that the solutions that will address oil depletion
will also go a long way toward addressing climate change.

Geoffrey mentioned the Culture Change newsletters in one of his previous
emails and I'd urge anyone who hasn't subscribed to those to do so. So many
of their articles hit the nail on the head; recently there have been
articles regarding population levels, which isn't discussed widely in any
depth.

You can subscribe to receive these articles regularly at the Culture Change
website

<http://culturechange.org/cms/index.php>

Vicki

-- 
Vicki Younger
Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
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From vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au  Mon Sep 15 14:49:04 2008
From: vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au (Vicki Younger)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:49:04 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Digest Mode on Mailing Lists
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Hi Geoffrey

*Vicky Younger* at Redgum Soaps is a mailing list specialist and is
> preparing some guidelines for the use of the list so we do not burn each
> other out - thanks Andrew for your input.
>

Firstly, let's not start spreading false rumours!

I'm merely a user with an interest in seeing everyone happy.

The less annoyed people are, the more likely they are to participate.
Conversely, the more annoyed they become, the less likely they are to
participate and they're also more likely to unsubscribe.

I hope to have these finished by the end of the week.

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From greg at austcom.org.au  Mon Sep 15 16:47:15 2008
From: greg at austcom.org.au (Greg Coram)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 16:47:15 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
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From: geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au (Geoffrey Grigg)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 18:39:38 +1000
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From: greg at austcom.org.au (Greg Coram)
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From leahmaree at austarnet.com.au  Mon Sep 15 19:15:26 2008
From: leahmaree at austarnet.com.au (Leah Wilkinson)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:15:26 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Magic
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Isn't it amazing what an Energy Ascent plan can do

Well done passionate people !!!


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> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:43:42 +1000
> From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
> To: "Jo Lewis" <rainbird at skymesh.com.au>
> Cc: Leah Wilkinson <leahmaree at austarnet.com.au>,
> transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Jo
>
>
> I don't disagree with any of this but I have just spent the last two weeks
>> in the company of some people who have close links and/or direct 
>> connection
>> to climate science and while the matters of oil depletion and community
>> development are obviously important to all of us they see disaster on the
>> horizon in the form of climate change.
>>
>
>
> Yes, too many problems and not enough solutions...
>
> The interesting thing is that the solutions that will address oil 
> depletion
> will also go a long way toward addressing climate change.
>
> Geoffrey mentioned the Culture Change newsletters in one of his previous
> emails and I'd urge anyone who hasn't subscribed to those to do so. So 
> many
> of their articles hit the nail on the head; recently there have been
> articles regarding population levels, which isn't discussed widely in any
> depth.
>
> You can subscribe to receive these articles regularly at the Culture 
> Change
> website
>
> <http://culturechange.org/cms/index.php>
>
> Vicki
>
> -- 
> Vicki Younger
> Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
> Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
> http://blog.redgumsoaps.com.au/
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> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 14:49:04 +1000
> From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Digest Mode on Mailing Lists
> To: "Geoffrey Grigg" <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hi Geoffrey
>
> *Vicky Younger* at Redgum Soaps is a mailing list specialist and is
>> preparing some guidelines for the use of the list so we do not burn each
>> other out - thanks Andrew for your input.
>>
>
> Firstly, let's not start spreading false rumours!
>
> I'm merely a user with an interest in seeing everyone happy.
>
> The less annoyed people are, the more likely they are to participate.
> Conversely, the more annoyed they become, the less likely they are to
> participate and they're also more likely to unsubscribe.
>
> I hope to have these finished by the end of the week.
>
> Vicki
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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Mon Sep 15 20:32:54 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:32:54 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
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References: <mailman.4871.1221438465.5998.transitiontown@australiancommunities.org.au>	<48CDAFAB.6050600@greengoddess.net.au>	<48CDC218.4010104@bigpond.net.au>
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WOW !! such passion from the masterminds of Austcom, I guess its why you 
two guys do what you do.

Collaboration meets cuisine.

Yes Greg, its the many people connections we can possibly make that 
gives Transition Towns some chance of making a difference, nothing I can 
see on the horizon has that opportunity and certainly not governments. 
For a moment in time we collaborate, engage and feel a sense of 
ownership and control over a very uncertain future.

Permaculture is the glue, the language we need to learn to think 
with.Its 12 design principles open up a labyrinth of connections that 
when pulled together, offer not only sustainable solutions but really, 
plain common sense.

To paraphrase the principles - Through good observation and interaction 
we catch and store energy wisely to provide a yield. We accept feedback 
loops and use renewable resourses to produce no waste. We look 
wholistically to patterns before adding details and work at a small 
scale through adding diversity to the systems we create.The dynamic edge 
that you speak of Greg is so important if we are to creatively adapt and 
respond to change.

Transition Towns right now is at that dynamic edge.

Go Well
John
John

Greg Coram wrote:

> Which is precisely why I am so thankful to ...
>
>     * 100 kilometre dinners <http://thebegavalley.org.au/16931.html>
>     * Aquatic Reserves <http://thebegavalley.org.au/4166.html>
>     * Australian Plants Society SE <http://thebegavalley.org.au/1479.html>
>     * Bega Environment Network <http://thebegavalley.org.au/enet.html>
>     * Bega NANA <http://thebegavalley.org.au/3920.html>
>     * Bega River and Wetlands Landcare Group Inc.
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/begariver.html>
>     * BEND - Bega Eco-Neighbourhood Developers
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/bend.html>
>     * Candelo Landcare Group
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/candelolandcare.html>
>     * Clean Energy for Eternity
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/cefe.html>
>     * Eden Transition Towns Group
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/tteden.html>
>     * Elm Grove Sanctuary Trust
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/elmgrove.html>
>     * End Whale Slaughter <http://thebegavalley.org.au/2702.html>
>     * Environmentally Sensitive Development Association
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/1033.html>
>     * Far South Coast Birdwatchers
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/birdwatchers.html>
>     * Forestry <http://thebegavalley.org.au/344.html>
>     * FSCCMN - Far South Coast Conservation Management Network
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/fsccmn.html>
>     * Future Minds <http://thebegavalley.org.au/677.html>
>     * Keep Forests Safe <http://thebegavalley.org.au/keepforestssafe.html>
>     * Narira Creek Revegetation and Rehabitation
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/3338.html>
>     * Narira Village <http://thebegavalley.org.au/3627.html>
>     * Panboola <http://thebegavalley.org.au/panboola.html>
>     * Permaculture Oceania
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/permacultureoceania.html>
>     * Recycling Treated Sewage <http://thebegavalley.org.au/15240.html>
>     * SOBAG <http://thebegavalley.org.au/17434.html>
>     * Springvale Landcare Group
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/springvalelandcare.html>
>     * The Crossing Land Education Trust
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/thecrossing.html>
>     * Threatened Species <http://thebegavalley.org.au/679.html>
>     * Transition Town Bega <http://thebegavalley.org.au/ttbega.html>
>     * Tura Beach Flora Reserve
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/turaflora.html>
>     * Wallaga Lake CDEP <http://thebegavalley.org.au/2649.html>
>     * Wandella Forest <http://thebegavalley.org.au/2616.html>
>     * Wapengo Watershed Association
>       <http://thebegavalley.org.au/wapengowatershed.html>
>     * Zero Waste Schools <http://thebegavalley.org.au/390.html>
>
> Particularly CEFE for focusing the carbon issue directly.
> Imaging what TT can do inconjunction with all these groups.
> *
> This list is the environment genera the groups are the species. Lets 
> structure the garden with good permaculture design principles to get 
> the most out of it for the least input.
>
> *I particularly like the bit about the most productive areas being in 
> the crossover between zones. Imagine a program engaging all these 
> groups with (for instance) youth to deal with the carbon issue.
> Or all these groups campaigning for and implementing better low carbon 
> housing for the growing aging population.
>
> Imagine duplicating these types of solutions across the country and 
> the world.
>
> If there ever was a group that could do this its TT. TT can take the 
> lead on program design, it can not, and should not steal the 
> empowerment from the community by doing the implementation.
>
> /There is no more frightening a creature on the planet then a human 
> under threat. (makes no difference how real the threat is)/
>
> /There is no more inspiring a creature then a human empowered to make 
> a better world. (no threats required)/
>
>
> Greg Coram
> Austcom - President
> http://austcom.org.au
> greg at austcom.org.au
> 02 6492 5000(office)
> 02 6492 4920(home)
>
> */building sustainable communities.../*
>
>
> Jo Lewis wrote:
>
>> I recognise the validity of your thoughts but I would put it to you 
>> that if the Greenland Ice Shelf  melts in the next 70 years or so and 
>> results in sea levels rising several metres and if the acidification 
>> of the oceans continues unabated and disrupts the food chain etc etc 
>> then it is unlikely that Transition Towns will be of any serious 
>> value. However I still see it as our best option because even if we 
>> can get world governments to take adequate action there will still be 
>> considerable disruption as a result of the head in the sand attitude 
>> that has persisted for so long. 
>> Climate Change is not going to go away until we act in unison and 
>> maybe not even then.
>> jo lewis
>> po box 157
>> bermagui 2546
>> rainbird at skymesh.com.au <mailto:rainbird at skymesh.com.au>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 15/09/2008, at 1:06 PM, Greg Coram wrote:
>>
>>> I couldnt agree more that we face serious threats from global 
>>> warming, peak oil, unstable global and unjust financial markets, 
>>> global food crisis, global fresh water crisis, continuing poverty in 
>>> sub-saharan africa, loss of biodiversity, all these leading to 
>>> national security issues (more wars looming) the global list goes 
>>> on, with issues we havent even thought of yet on the way.
>>> Locally we have serious holes in youth services, health and 
>>> employment and this list goes on.
>>>
>>> My point is TT cant take of everything. It can offer structure, 
>>> coordination and support to existing groups where they exist. If 
>>> local environment groups are missing some aspects then TT can 
>>> provide direction,support and assistance, they are listening. It 
>>> seems to me that strengthening existing structure within environment 
>>> groups, lets, health groups etc. is the way to go rather then 
>>> reinventing the wheel and risking undermining their good work. We 
>>> also need to create social infrastructure where it is missing eg 
>>> youth services (fling being the only sustainable group that comes to 
>>> mind), food coordination services (none existant at present), 
>>> bridging the huge chasm between community groups and the three 
>>> levels of government etc. Liaising with National Not-For-Profits 
>>> with common goals and larger resources.  TT can provide support to 
>>> Austcom in spreading communication tools like the one Im using now. 
>>> Austcom like all groups is happy incorporate programs from TT should 
>>> they be developed. Austcom and other groups could and would also 
>>> promote TT in new areas as it is offering structure that is in the 
>>> interest of the entire community sector.
>>>
>>> By taking on all issues directly from the core, TT groups will be 
>>> over stretching resources and entering divisive areas. For instance 
>>> holding public talks on Peak Oil attracts predominately left wing 
>>> progressives and labels TT as left wing group to the conservatives. 
>>> Conservatives however are apart of the solution like it or not. If 
>>> the farmers, churches and business owners are not engaged by TT then 
>>> TT is little more then a hopeful leftist revolutionary group (not a 
>>> bad thing, but requires time we dont have, Im all for a good 
>>> revolution but...).
>>>
>>> Anybody remember when Nuclear Disarmament was the core issue in the 
>>> 80's ? Well Nuclear proliferation was not reduced an ounce and the 
>>> threat of use has never been higher then now. Yet the issue is gone, 
>>> the public and media got bored with it. The same will happen with 
>>> global warming and peak oil when water becomes the greater local 
>>> threat. Single issue groups will come and go and if they do not 
>>> focus on community capacity they leave nothing behind.
>>>
>>> Central to both left wing progressive and right wing conservative 
>>> politics is the idea of an empowered community.  TT has the 
>>> structure behind it to do this and coordinate the community sector 
>>> to work towards a common vision of a community proactively working 
>>> towards positive outcomes rather then the ongoing chaos of reacting 
>>> to the  threats of the day. It may seem sensible that people should 
>>> be motivated by serious threats, but history shows they are not. 
>>> History also shows they can be motivated by gains.
>>>
>>> I have dealt with most community groups in The Bega Valley region 
>>> and all of them would be open to adopting TT ideas if presented with 
>>> them. These are already willing workers in numbers that TT will not 
>>> achieve internally. They already have the passion and skills within 
>>> their interest areas. They have not shown they have the structure to 
>>> work together.  Why not work with what we have ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Greg Coram
>>> Austcom - President
>>> http://austcom.org.au
>>> greg at austcom.org.au
>>> 02 6492 5000(office)
>>> 02 6492 4920(home)
>>>
>>> */building sustainable communities.../*
>>>
>>>
>>> Champagne wrote:
>>>
>>>>Exactly Scott,
>>>>
>>>>A big problem looming for the 'conventional' environmental movement 
>>>>regarding the realities of Peak Oil is....where will they spend their 
>>>>available voluntary energy?
>>>>
>>>>kind regards
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>Scott White wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>>Re: Jo Lewis comments
>>>>>
>>>>>I think what is being ignored in the whole Transition/Relocalisation 
>>>>>movement is the collapse of paper currencies sending the globe into 
>>>>>Depression living conditions, similar but worse than the Great 
>>>>>Depression. There is very little community resilience today. The third 
>>>>>quarter profit (loss) results coming out of the US at the end of the 
>>>>>month will uncover some very shady dealings starting with Leaman Bros.
>>>>>
>>>>>There will be no 'money' in the system to create change. This will 
>>>>>bring rise to community currencies. This also brings great 
>>>>>opportunities to achieve the goals of relocalisation if there is a 
>>>>>core group and plan strategically placed to take advantage of the 
>>>>>power vacuum.
>>>>>
>>>>>Scott
>>>>>
>>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>    
>>>>>
>>>>>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>	transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>>	http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>
>>>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>>	transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>>	transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  1. Re: Energy ASCENT Plan (Greg Coram)
>>>>>>  2. Re: Energy ASCENT Plan (Jo Lewis)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>>Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:09:42 +1000
>>>>>>From: Greg Coram <greg at austcom.org.au>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
>>>>>>To: transition <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>>>>>>Message-ID: <48CC7266.6050707 at austcom.org.au>
>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>Message: 2
>>>>>>Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 10:30:08 +1000
>>>>>>From: Jo Lewis <rainbird at skymesh.com.au>
>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
>>>>>>To: Leah Wilkinson <leahmaree at austarnet.com.au>
>>>>>>Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>Message-ID: <748D2C43-8857-42BF-A379-758353F6641A at skymesh.com.au>
>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't disagree with any of this but I have just spent the last two  
>>>>>>weeks in the company of some people who have close links and/or  
>>>>>>direct connection to climate science and while the matters of oil  
>>>>>>depletion and community development are obviously important to all of  
>>>>>>us they see disaster on the horizon in the form of climate change. It  
>>>>>>is evidenced in changes that are remote from us such as melting  
>>>>>>icecaps & methane outgassing in Siberia and is exacerbated by  
>>>>>>clearing forests in tropical areas. The North West Passage will be  
>>>>>>ice free in summer within a couple of years as will the Arctic Ocean  
>>>>>>and as a result there will be oil and gas exploration in the area -  
>>>>>>probably increasing the supply of oil and halting the drive for  
>>>>>>alternatives and incidentally increasing CO2 emissions even further.  
>>>>>>The Great Barrier Reef is probably doomed due to CO2 dissolving in  
>>>>>>sea water and making it slightly acid as well as increasing sea water  
>>>>>>temperatures and sea level rises are unpredictable because the ice  
>>>>>>melt in Greenland is unprecedented. Climate Change is our biggest  
>>>>>>challenge and we need to be aware of that and to exert whatever  
>>>>>>political pressure we can.
>>>>>>In 1972 the Club of Rome put out a book called Limits to Growth. It  
>>>>>>was widely criticised and generally rebuffed & debunked in much the  
>>>>>>same way as climate science has been attacked but in the last 6  
>>>>>>months the CSIRO have examined its assumptions and found one of the  
>>>>>>possible scenarios in the book closely matches the conditions we have  
>>>>>>experienced over the last 30 years. This scenario was the standard  
>>>>>>conditions - which closely resembles business as usual - and the end  
>>>>>>result of this scenario is predicted to be global economic and  
>>>>>>environmental collapse around 2050. Transition Towns may be just in  
>>>>>>time - but don't forget climate change is in the mix and might  
>>>>>>undermine all our efforts.
>>>>>>jo lewis
>>>>>>po box 157
>>>>>>bermagui 2546
>>>>>>rainbird at skymesh.com.au
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 12/09/2008, at 9:23 PM, Leah Wilkinson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hello to The Transition Towns Group
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Well today's topics have certainly triggered people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Isn't is a great thing that we are here on the planet to learn and  
>>>>>>>grow from
>>>>>>>one another
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Transition Towns is not only about Energy Descent Plans it is about  
>>>>>>>a much
>>>>>>>broader concept embedded in Permaculture
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It is about working together, empathy, compassion and having a  
>>>>>>>vision for
>>>>>>>our community
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am currently working with the community on the Austcom project  
>>>>>>>South East
>>>>>>>Health
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>South East Health invests in social capital to build healthy  
>>>>>>>communities
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In other words our energies are invested in building relationship with
>>>>>>>ourselves, the environment and the community
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It would be really helpful if Transition Towns focused on the  
>>>>>>>concept of
>>>>>>>Energy Ascent Plans to build social capital
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This will then have an inverse effect to support our practical goal of
>>>>>>>Energy Descent Plans
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks for Listening
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Leah Wlkinson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>>>From: <transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au>
>>>>>>>To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>>>>>>>Sent: Friday, September 12, 2008 5:42 PM
>>>>>>>Subject: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 7
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>>>transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/ 
>>>>>>>>transitiontown
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>>>>transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>>>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 1. Re: Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6 (Scott White)
>>>>>>>> 2. Bad quality newsletters (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>>>>> 3. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Liane)
>>>>>>>> 4. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Champagne)
>>>>>>>> 5. Re: Bad quality newsletters (Vicki Younger)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>>-
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
>>>>>>>>From: Scott White <scott at greengoddess.net.au>
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>Message-ID: <48C9F820.6000405 at greengoddess.net.au>
>>>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>>>>>>>newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>>>>>>>brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
>>>>>>>>newsletter
>>>>>>>>is not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Scott
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>>>>transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>>>>>transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>>>>>>>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>>>>>>>From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>>>>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>>>>>>********************************************
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Message: 2
>>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:37:15 +1000
>>>>>>>>From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>Subject: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>>>>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>Message-ID: <48CA000B.5090800 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Message: 3
>>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 16:45:19 +1000
>>>>>>>>From: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>>>>>>>To: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>Message-ID: <48CA0FFF.7020705 at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Message: 4
>>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:43:45 +1000
>>>>>>>>From: Champagne <brogopg at bigpond.net.au>
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>>>>>>>To: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
>>>>>>>>Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>Message-ID: <48CA1DB1.4040206 at bigpond.net.au>
>>>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks Liane,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Totally support what you have just said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is  
>>>>>>>>not the
>>>>>>>>ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback,  
>>>>>>>>positive
>>>>>>>>or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction
>>>>>>>>solutions.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>kind regards
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Liane wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the
>>>>>>>>>countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to
>>>>>>>>>our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable
>>>>>>>>>communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>The CEFE team.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Liane Shields - Administrator
>>>>>>>>>Clean Energy For Eternity
>>>>>>>>>http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>>>>>>>>admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
>>>>>>>>>02 6492 0505(office)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Geoffrey Grigg wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks Scott
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes - newsletters could be better...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Any additional information you can provide to improve that  
>>>>>>>>>>process or
>>>>>>>>>>actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is
>>>>>>>>>>most welcome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects
>>>>>>>>>>and TT is one of them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me)
>>>>>>>>>>about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are  
>>>>>>>>>>legible -
>>>>>>>>>>make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is
>>>>>>>>>>happening in the South East.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to
>>>>>>>>>>present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community
>>>>>>>>>>website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/
>>>>>>>>>>website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to
>>>>>>>>>>build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters  
>>>>>>>>>>could
>>>>>>>>>>be better - /or take that task on./
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It would be most appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for your email.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Geoffrey
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Scott White wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Hi there,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
>>>>>>>>>>>newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
>>>>>>>>>>>brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
>>>>>>>>>>>newsletter
>>>>>>>>>>>is not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Scott
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Send Transitiontown mailing list submissions to
>>>>>>>>>>>>transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>>>>>>>>>>>transitiontown-request at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>>>>>>>>>>>transitiontown-owner at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more  
>>>>>>>>>>>>specific
>>>>>>>>>>>>than "Re: Contents of Transitiontown digest..."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Today's Topics:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Corrections - Kendalls Field Day (Geoffrey Grigg)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>----------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>>>>>>-----
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Message: 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:04:33 +1000
>>>>>>>>>>>>From: Geoffrey Grigg <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Subject: [Transitiontown] Corrections - Kendalls Field Day
>>>>>>>>>>>>To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>Message-ID: <48C9C021.6050407 at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>End of Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 6
>>>>>>>>>>>>********************************************
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>                  
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>           
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>                
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>-- 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>*Geoffrey Grigg,*
>>>>>>>>>>*02-6492 5000*
>>>>>>>>>>*0447 273 342*
>>>>>>>>>>*Project Coordinator, Community Network*
>>>>>>>>>>*Editor, Sustain Magazine*
>>>>>>>>>>geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
>>>>>>>>>><mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>>>The Australian Community Network <http:// 
>>>>>>>>>>australiancommunities.org.au>
>>>>>>>>>>"The Central", Gipps St,
>>>>>>>>>>Bega NSW 2550
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>>>>-----
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>              
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>-------------------------------------------------------------------- 
>>>>>>>>>----
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>Transitiontown mailing list
>>>>>>>>>Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>>http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/ 
>>>>>>>>>listinfo/transitiontown
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Message: 5
>>>>>>>>Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
>>>>>>>>From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
>>>>>>>>Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
>>>>>>>>To: "Geoffrey Grigg" <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>>>>>>>>Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>>>>>>>>Message-ID:
>>>>>>>><192bc470809120045o40ef208dkfcd6102eee43315f at mail.gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi Scott and Geoffrey
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
>>>>>>>>messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
>>>>>>>>newsletter).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you  
>>>>>>>>might find
>>>>>>>>that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I
>>>>>>>>believed
>>>>>>>>in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest  
>>>>>>>>meant less
>>>>>>>>emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
>>>>>>>>particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the
>>>>>>>>change
>>>>>>>>to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying  
>>>>>>>>faster and
>>>>>>>>easier.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters  
>>>>>>>>containing
>>>>>>>>images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and  
>>>>>>>>would
>>>>>>>>probably delay the process unnecessarily.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
>>>>>>>>actual
>>>>>>>>     
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most  
>>>>>>>>>welcome.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>            
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go  
>>>>>>>>to the
>>>>>>>>list
>>>>>>>>and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's  
>>>>>>>>been set
>>>>>>>>up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
>>>>>>>>subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing  
>>>>>>>>lists
>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>>the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and  
>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>easier to keep track of threads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription  
>>>>>>>>section
>>>>>>>>but
>>>>>>>>I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be  
>>>>>>>>worthwhile.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Vicki
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>-- 
>>>>>>>>Vicki Younger
>>>>>>>>Redgum Soaps http://redgumsoaps.com.au
>>>>>>>>Australia's first solar powered soapmaking
>>>>>>>>http://blog.redgumsoaps.com.au/
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>          
>>>>>>>>
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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Tue Sep 16 05:16:47 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 05:16:47 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] This week
Message-ID: <48CEB49F.1080402@bigpond.net.au>


Hello everyone,

Sorry for the late notice on this. On my ABC radio program tomorrow,' 
Transition Initiatives' ( 9.30am- 810 am dial) I'll be talking from 
Melbourne to Adam Grubb.

Adam has been involved in the Permablitz scene from the beginning so 
will provide an historical context to this as well as how its all 
going.He is also well known for his IT work within permaculture circles 
and manages the best web site in Australia on tracking down the latest 
information on Peak Oil - www.energybulletin.net

Then on Wednesday evening...its back to the Niagara Cafe for our 
fortnightly gathering of TT Bega with a special focus on Food Security. 
I have a short film Adam gave me on a Permablitz event in a Melbourne 
backyard and then we'll brainstorm together a Bega Permablitz of our 
own.We have our eye on the main street of Bega where Geoffrey sprang an 
idea to plant medeteranean herbs underneath the magnolia trees.Time for 
a little bit of action.

Then....after a short break, a remarkable film out of Austria where Sepp 
Holzer and his wife farm the high altitude Alp country like you would 
not believe possible.Very inspiring.

kind regards
John

From anadodero at bigpond.com  Tue Sep 16 07:45:05 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:45:05 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] It's the Food that I Love
References: <48CE1F4A.6090004@thebegavalley.org.au>
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About GG mail:
The cheeses in Australia were good, until we have implanted this unneccesary law about having the milk 'pasteurised' and 'homogenized'..... what a non-sense in a country where is not brucelosis, etc etc
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From anadodero at bigpond.com  Tue Sep 16 07:52:24 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 07:52:24 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transitiontown Digest, Vol 4, Issue 14
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To Gregg Coram,

You will have to incorparate 'us' in your list:

" The Triangle Community of Gardeners" , the new name of the former "Cobargo Community Garden".

We have started in May 2008, and slowly are building a group concerned with having at least a sustainable vegie patch in their own backyard.
 
I hope we develop into 'one site' community garden in the future.

It is up to the people.

Good luck in Bega.

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From anadodero at bigpond.com  Tue Sep 16 08:09:18 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 08:09:18 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Fw:  Energy ASCENT Plan
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Very good Kym, thankyou for your input. 

Also, to Greg Coram:

Another group to add to your list; LETS has been here a lot longer than all of us, and helped/is helping to develop alternative and suitable sociological methods.

Ana Walker

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We have an established and well developed "community currency" in place in the Bega Valley region.
Bega Valley LETS has been operating in the Bega Valley since 1989 and is ready to step in when the federal currencies start collapsing.
Bega Valley LETS will fill the currency vacuum.

Regards
Kym Mogridge

Scott White wrote:
  Re: Jo Lewis comments

  I think what is being ignored in the whole Transition/Relocalisation movement is the collapse of paper currencies sending the globe into Depression living conditions, similar but worse than the Great Depression. There is very little community resilience today. The third quarter profit (loss) results coming out of the US at the end of the month will uncover some very shady dealings starting with Leaman Bros.

  There will be no 'money' in the system to create change. This will bring rise to community currencies. This also brings great opportunities to achieve the goals of relocalisation if there is a core group and plan strategically placed to take advantage of the power vacuum.

  Scott

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From: Jo Lewis <rainbird at skymesh.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Energy ASCENT Plan
To: Leah Wilkinson <leahmaree at austarnet.com.au>
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I don't disagree with any of this but I have just spent the last two  
weeks in the company of some people who have close links and/or  
direct connection to climate science and while the matters of oil  
depletion and community development are obviously important to all of  
us they see disaster on the horizon in the form of climate change. It  
is evidenced in changes that are remote from us such as melting  
icecaps & methane outgassing in Siberia and is exacerbated by  
clearing forests in tropical areas. The North West Passage will be  
ice free in summer within a couple of years as will the Arctic Ocean  
and as a result there will be oil and gas exploration in the area -  
probably increasing the supply of oil and halting the drive for  
alternatives and incidentally increasing CO2 emissions even further.  
The Great Barrier Reef is probably doomed due to CO2 dissolving in  
sea water and making it slightly acid as well as increasing sea water  
temperatures and sea level rises are unpredictable because the ice  
melt in Greenland is unprecedented. Climate Change is our biggest  
challenge and we need to be aware of that and to exert whatever  
political pressure we can.
In 1972 the Club of Rome put out a book called Limits to Growth. It  
was widely criticised and generally rebuffed & debunked in much the  
same way as climate science has been attacked but in the last 6  
months the CSIRO have examined its assumptions and found one of the  
possible scenarios in the book closely matches the conditions we have  
experienced over the last 30 years. This scenario was the standard  
conditions - which closely resembles business as usual - and the end  
result of this scenario is predicted to be global economic and  
environmental collapse around 2050. Transition Towns may be just in  
time - but don't forget climate change is in the mix and might  
undermine all our efforts.
jo lewis
po box 157
bermagui 2546
rainbird at skymesh.com.au




On 12/09/2008, at 9:23 PM, Leah Wilkinson wrote:

  Hello to The Transition Towns Group

Well today's topics have certainly triggered people

Isn't is a great thing that we are here on the planet to learn and  
grow from
one another

Transition Towns is not only about Energy Descent Plans it is about  
a much
broader concept embedded in Permaculture

It is about working together, empathy, compassion and having a  
vision for
our community

I am currently working with the community on the Austcom project  
South East
Health

South East Health invests in social capital to build healthy  
communities

In other words our energies are invested in building relationship with
ourselves, the environment and the community

It would be really helpful if Transition Towns focused on the  
concept of
Energy Ascent Plans to build social capital

This will then have an inverse effect to support our practical goal of
Energy Descent Plans

Thanks for Listening

Leah Wlkinson








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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:03:28 +1000
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Hi there,

I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
newsletter
is not.

Regards

Scott


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From: Champagne <brogopg at bigpond.net.au>
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
To: Liane <admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au>
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Thanks Liane,

Totally support what you have just said.

Look.......Scott I know the newsletter Geoffrey 'punched' out is  
not the
ants pants version it could be and I'm not immune to feedback,  
positive
or negative but please, you need to follow this up with construction
solutions.

kind regards
John

Liane wrote:

      Sending our gratitude and admiration to the Austcom team for the
countless hours of extraordinary work that they generously donate to
our community. Austcom?s contribution to building sustainable
communities across Australia is nothing short of astonishing.

The CEFE team.

Liane Shields - Administrator
Clean Energy For Eternity
http://cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
admin at cleanenergyforeternity.net.au
02 6492 0505(office)


Geoffrey Grigg wrote:

        Thanks Scott

Yes - newsletters could be better...

Any additional information you can provide to improve that  
process or
actual physical support to construct a better email newsletter is
most welcome.

Our office (http://austcom.org.au) is working across many projects
and TT is one of them.

Our commitment to the TT process and timely mailouts is (for me)
about getting data out as quickly as feasible - *content is king.*

Perfect presentation is not a concern - as long as they are  
legible -
make sense - and are a regular reminder that a great deal is
happening in the South East.

For example - we just had an enquiry from Wingecarribee Shire to
present there and have just opened up the Cann Valley community
website in Victoria at http://cannvalley.org.au - a /brand new/
website network for north eastern Victoria focussing on helping to
build a sustainable community there. /That is a great achievement./

So we are having an impact - but please tell us how newsletters  
could
be better - /or take that task on./

It would be most appreciated.

Thanks for your email.

Geoffrey



Scott White wrote:

          Hi there,

I am sorry to tell you but these are probably the worst set out
newsletters i have encountered. The concept of Transition towns is
brilliant but your dissemination of information through this  
newsletter
is not.

Regards

Scott


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Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2008 17:45:24 +1000
From: "Vicki Younger" <vicki at redgumsoaps.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Bad quality newsletters
To: "Geoffrey Grigg" <geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
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Hi Scott and Geoffrey

Firstly Geoffrey, I agree that *content is king*.

Scott, I don't specifically see these messages as newsletters but as
messages sent via a mailing list (which Geoffrey is using to send the
newsletter).

You appear to have your preferences set to "digest mode"; you  
might find
that individual message format is better and less time consuming. I
believed
in the past that having messages bundled together in a digest  
meant less
emails but overall it took more time and replying was cumbersome,
particularly for long digests of 20 or more messages. When I made the
change
to individual messages it saved a lot of time and made replying  
faster and
easier.

I subscribed to a mailing list but sending out html newsletters  
containing
images and other smart items is a whole different ballgame - and  
would
probably delay the process unnecessarily.


Any additional information you can provide to improve that process or
actual
      physical support to construct a better email newsletter is most  
welcome.

        The only suggestion I would make is to make the default reply go  
to the
list
and not just the sender - I understand there are reasons why it's  
been set
up this way but I'm coming from an angle of having been involved (ie
subscribing, posting, receiving and moderating) with many mailing  
lists
over
the past decade. Mainly because it keeps everyone in the loop and  
it's
easier to keep track of threads.

I'm not sure if there's an etiquette section in the subscription  
section
but
I'd be happy to provide some points if you feel it would be  
worthwhile.

Vicki



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From matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au  Tue Sep 16 16:02:58 2008
From: matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au (Matthew Nott)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 23:02:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
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Well done to all those that have worked so hard to make TT such an exciting concept. It seems to be getting a lot of people fired up, and is a great way of bringing the many sustainability groups together.

From luandmoo at bigpond.com  Tue Sep 16 21:47:39 2008
From: luandmoo at bigpond.com (Cindy and Martin)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2008 21:47:39 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Fw:  It's the Food that I Love
Message-ID: <003401c917f2$052c65d0$0100000a@yourfk3wzjtn19>

Great to see your passion for local food Geoffrey!

What I would like to see talked about in the blue print of 'our' transition town is food sustainability and the impact of our food production on the environment - our local environment and the world at large.

I hear a lot of talk about 'food miles' , permaculture and organics but no attention paid to the environmental disaster that an animal based diet inflicts on the Earth and it's people and how, if we are truly serious about showing the way to a sustainable lifestyle that will allow all to be fed, we must address the 'meat & dairy' issue. 

I know it's unpopular, but I really don't think we can take seriously any plan that masquerades as a blue print for equitable, sustainable living for all of humanity if it doesn't look - in depth - at the implications of perpetuating a meat based diet. 

I'm not advocating a vegan diet for all (well, yeah I am, but I'm not THAT optimistic!), just a discussion of what percentage of our meat based diet can continue. How much land do we dedicate to meat & dairy production on a local scale that is sustainable on a global scale? How much of our precious food growing land do we allocate to produce the food of animals? How much scarce water gets allocated to growing their food, watering them and processing them? How much fossil fuel are we prepared to use growing the crops, harvesting, processing, carting the animals and refrigerating their carcasses?

Are we really able to consume meat & dairy the way we have been, or do we have to cut back, make it a rarity?

Here are a couple of links that may get people thinking about the issues that are really behind our seemingly benign desire for flesh:


http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1839995,00.html


http://www.nonviolenceunited.org/veganvideo.html


With everyone's obsession about 'food miles' it was heartening to see the cover of New Scientist magazine in the newsagent the other day proclaiming that the carbon footprint of a bowl of cereal was equivalent to driving a 4 wheel drive 7 kilometres but a steak was the equivalent of driving a 4 wheel drive 30 kilometres! So we need to move beyond 'how far has our food travelled?' and towards "what is the environmental (carbon) footprint of this meal?". I think that would give a truer indication of it's sustainability for the planet.

Looking forward to seeing it on the agenda!
Cindy
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  Hi all,

  A short question to you... about the food and the passion thereof... it may seem silly and an abuse of your 'list' patience ...but please bear with me...I think it's really important for us as a TT project....

  I've noticed in all the locally grown foods an underlying flavour of Vanilla, a tiny hint of spice like cloves or pepper and some floral shades of Jasmine, Freesia or Lilly Pilly fruit. 

  It's like New Zealand wines, or Margaret River, Hunter, Tasmania or Clare Valley wines - they have a special quality and it's totally unmistakable and highly sought after. 

  What is our flavour?

  For me the base note  (scent or flavour) is Vanilla and then the soaring spice and floral aromas and flavours come in - and I am left with that warm fresh buttery fudge taste that reminds me I am Home.

  My background is in winemaking and as a Chef - so I notice those things on purpose and I am blessed with a good sense of smell.

  The reason I ask is that if we are to make something of our local cuisine - it needs oooomphf! - I don't just want potatoes - I want Cobargo potatoes - I want Bemboka lamb - or Bermagui Kiwi Fruit because they are the best... and I want to grow Springvale Oranges because they make the best marmalade - and because it's locally made.

  These are the products we will fervently grow and work so hard for - if they are in demand - sought after - these are the foods that take us somewhere special ...These are the things that people will pay attention to ...and they want, because they are special ...and local.

  I think this is the unique selling point, the marketing position that Transition Towns needs - it's about us, our place, our special quality.

  Has anyone noticed this very special local flavour ?

  If you have - surely this tiny little twist of experience puts the Transition Towns project way, way beyond food security - and into the realms of divine inspiration. I must have Wapengo Oysters, Tanja Olives, Jellet Jellat corn. My Springvale Parsley is just to die for!

  There was a time when Kameruka Cheese was the best in Australia. The cheeses grown on the pastures at Tilba by Nic and Erika Dibden are just fantastic!

  I work at the small species abattoir one morning a week - and I noticed this Vanilla and spice scent in the chickens as I was gutting them - strange but true - local chickens have that local taste and aroma - and now I won't eat imported chickens - not because of food miles (although that is important to me) - but because the flavour is not there. It's the Food that I Love.

  I want Chris Franks' chickens - because they are the best you can buy. I will happily pay $20 a bird and squeeze that value out of it 3 times if the chicken was grown by Chris and Bev Franks. She cares for her birds and they show it. They are always healthy, they smell sweet and I want them.

  Isn't this where we are going ?

  With this attention to industry and quality, the passion for local food will be there.

  In the same way I car pool because I get to travel with my friends, I have renewable energy from our own sunlight.

  Surely we need to be going down the value-add road (where we are the product) if we are to provide the Australian marketing solution to Transition Towns being more than the usual suspects at the meetings.

  If you are in Transition Towns - that means local, community and quality.

  Suddenly a community garden makes sense - because I want to do it - not because I have to.

  This Wednesday at Niagara Cafe (from 6:30pm) we'll talk about introducing herbs to the main street under the magnolia trees. Is it about food security - no - it's about what you can do with the herbs.

  It's the food that I love. For that passion I will do anything.

  -- 

        Geoffrey Grigg,
        02-6492 5000
        0447 273 342
        Project Coordinator, Community Network
        Editor, Sustain Magazine
        geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
       The Australian Community Network
        "The Central", Gipps St,
        Bega NSW 2550
       



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From luandmoo at bigpond.com  Wed Sep 17 09:59:07 2008
From: luandmoo at bigpond.com (Cindy and Martin)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 09:59:07 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Fw:  Fw:  It's the Food that I Love
Message-ID: <001201c91858$34e596a0$0100000a@yourfk3wzjtn19>


Hi Scott,
thanks for your reply. I've replied to some of your points below:


  >>I hear what you are saying about meat and diary and it is true with current farm practises but not so long ago people had their house cow/goat/sheep and ate meat sustainably through slaughtering their own animals or selectively culling wild animals.

  This is no longer possible due to the size of the human population, we do not have enough land to keep animals for food and to grow enough plant food to feed the population. The planet only has enough resources to sustain a meat & dairy eating population of 2 billion people. The amount of animals needed to satisfy our 'wants' (because it is a want not a need) would mean that all the environmental degredation and starvation of poorer populations would still be occuring, the only difference would be a relative reduction in animal suffering due to improved farming methods.



   >>If the debate is an ethical or moral one it will be a hard sell. 

  I disagree. Every environmental issue in the first world is sold on ethical and moral grounds. Do people use solar power because THEIR exisitance is at threat - no. We all know that there will be enough fossil fuel to provide for our wants throughout our lifetime and that our wealth (and on a global standard Australians are the Kerry Packers and Bill Gates of the world, no matter how hard we *think* we have it), and our wealth will allow us to keep consuming at the rate we want during our own lifetime to the detriment of the people on whose labour we prosper. We choose solar power from an ethical and moral stand point. We care what happens to those who come after us. We feel that all people should have a certain standard of living. It's a wonderful thing that has been happening. 
  David Suzuki pointed out that globally Australia's greenhouse emissions make little difference to the environment but he also stated that it is crucially important that we reduce them because of the effect that will have on the psyche of the world. The 2nd & 3rd world look to countries like us on how to 'be'. they follow us, they look to us as leaders. Our burden is essentially a moral and ethical one but people still feel committed because humans are basically good and will think beyond themselves when presented with the facts.
  Everything we now take for granted - recycling, saving water, alternative energy - was once written off as 'unsellable'. The thought was just like the one you've put forward "If people need to do it out of the goodness of their heart they just won't do it". But I think we've seen just how good some people's hearts are!

  >>Dairy and meat will naturally be consumed less as we move into an economic depression.

  That's like saying that we will naturally use less fuel and electricity as it becomes more expensive so there's no point cutting back now. It makes everything we are doing with regard to planning a transition town pointless. It's like saying lets just continue as we are now until a disaster happens and then we can do sometime about it. Isn't that what happened in Cuba?

  I'm very excited by the publicity starting to filter through for veganism. I have a great optimism in the good of humanity and I think when presented with the facts most people will at least give thought to cutting back on their consumption of animal products - every little bit helps even one day a week! As they say - driving a hybrid car, changing to solar power and recycling are all good but even combined they do not save as many resources or reduce your carbon footprint as much as a switch to a vegan diet :)

  Cindy 


  Cindy and Martin wrote: 
    Great to see your passion for local food Geoffrey!

    What I would like to see talked about in the blue print of 'our' transition town is food sustainability and the impact of our food production on the environment - our local environment and the world at large.

    I hear a lot of talk about 'food miles' , permaculture and organics but no attention paid to the environmental disaster that an animal based diet inflicts on the Earth and it's people and how, if we are truly serious about showing the way to a sustainable lifestyle that will allow all to be fed, we must address the 'meat & dairy' issue. 

    I know it's unpopular, but I really don't think we can take seriously any plan that masquerades as a blue print for equitable, sustainable living for all of humanity if it doesn't look - in depth - at the implications of perpetuating a meat based diet. 

    I'm not advocating a vegan diet for all (well, yeah I am, but I'm not THAT optimistic!), just a discussion of what percentage of our meat based diet can continue. How much land do we dedicate to meat & dairy production on a local scale that is sustainable on a global scale? How much of our precious food growing land do we allocate to produce the food of animals? How much scarce water gets allocated to growing their food, watering them and processing them? How much fossil fuel are we prepared to use growing the crops, harvesting, processing, carting the animals and refrigerating their carcasses?

    Are we really able to consume meat & dairy the way we have been, or do we have to cut back, make it a rarity?

    Here are a couple of links that may get people thinking about the issues that are really behind our seemingly benign desire for flesh:


    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1839995,00.html


    http://www.nonviolenceunited.org/veganvideo.html


    With everyone's obsession about 'food miles' it was heartening to see the cover of New Scientist magazine in the newsagent the other day proclaiming that the carbon footprint of a bowl of cereal was equivalent to driving a 4 wheel drive 7 kilometres but a steak was the equivalent of driving a 4 wheel drive 30 kilometres! So we need to move beyond 'how far has our food travelled?' and towards "what is the environmental (carbon) footprint of this meal?". I think that would give a truer indication of it's sustainability for the planet.

    Looking forward to seeing it on the agenda!
    Cindy
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: Geoffrey Grigg 
      To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au 
      Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:39 PM
      Subject: [Transitiontown] It's the Food that I Love


      Hi all,

      A short question to you... about the food and the passion thereof... it may seem silly and an abuse of your 'list' patience ...but please bear with me...I think it's really important for us as a TT project....

      I've noticed in all the locally grown foods an underlying flavour of Vanilla, a tiny hint of spice like cloves or pepper and some floral shades of Jasmine, Freesia or Lilly Pilly fruit. 

      It's like New Zealand wines, or Margaret River, Hunter, Tasmania or Clare Valley wines - they have a special quality and it's totally unmistakable and highly sought after. 

      What is our flavour?

      For me the base note  (scent or flavour) is Vanilla and then the soaring spice and floral aromas and flavours come in - and I am left with that warm fresh buttery fudge taste that reminds me I am Home.

      My background is in winemaking and as a Chef - so I notice those things on purpose and I am blessed with a good sense of smell.

      The reason I ask is that if we are to make something of our local cuisine - it needs oooomphf! - I don't just want potatoes - I want Cobargo potatoes - I want Bemboka lamb - or Bermagui Kiwi Fruit because they are the best... and I want to grow Springvale Oranges because they make the best marmalade - and because it's locally made.

      These are the products we will fervently grow and work so hard for - if they are in demand - sought after - these are the foods that take us somewhere special ...These are the things that people will pay attention to ...and they want, because they are special ...and local.

      I think this is the unique selling point, the marketing position that Transition Towns needs - it's about us, our place, our special quality.

      Has anyone noticed this very special local flavour ?

      If you have - surely this tiny little twist of experience puts the Transition Towns project way, way beyond food security - and into the realms of divine inspiration. I must have Wapengo Oysters, Tanja Olives, Jellet Jellat corn. My Springvale Parsley is just to die for!

      There was a time when Kameruka Cheese was the best in Australia. The cheeses grown on the pastures at Tilba by Nic and Erika Dibden are just fantastic!

      I work at the small species abattoir one morning a week - and I noticed this Vanilla and spice scent in the chickens as I was gutting them - strange but true - local chickens have that local taste and aroma - and now I won't eat imported chickens - not because of food miles (although that is important to me) - but because the flavour is not there. It's the Food that I Love.

      I want Chris Franks' chickens - because they are the best you can buy. I will happily pay $20 a bird and squeeze that value out of it 3 times if the chicken was grown by Chris and Bev Franks. She cares for her birds and they show it. They are always healthy, they smell sweet and I want them.

      Isn't this where we are going ?

      With this attention to industry and quality, the passion for local food will be there.

      In the same way I car pool because I get to travel with my friends, I have renewable energy from our own sunlight.

      Surely we need to be going down the value-add road (where we are the product) if we are to provide the Australian marketing solution to Transition Towns being more than the usual suspects at the meetings.

      If you are in Transition Towns - that means local, community and quality.

      Suddenly a community garden makes sense - because I want to do it - not because I have to.

      This Wednesday at Niagara Cafe (from 6:30pm) we'll talk about introducing herbs to the main street under the magnolia trees. Is it about food security - no - it's about what you can do with the herbs.

      It's the food that I love. For that passion I will do anything.

      -- 

            Geoffrey Grigg,
            02-6492 5000
            0447 273 342
            Project Coordinator, Community Network
            Editor, Sustain Magazine
            geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
           The Australian Community Network
            "The Central", Gipps St,
            Bega NSW 2550
           



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From liz.worth at larkford.com  Wed Sep 17 12:14:18 2008
From: liz.worth at larkford.com (Liz Worth)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 12:14:18 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] We are not alone in our journey
Message-ID: <48D067FA.3020204@larkford.com>

Hello,

I have just stumbled across 
http://www.sustainable.org/creating/vision.html. 

I was aware of the Transition Network in the UK, of course, and of a few 
initiatives in the USA.  Apparently many more towns and cities in the US 
are on this journey to create sustainable communities with us - they 
just don't call it Transition Towns or follow that formula.  There is 
lots of information available via this portal website.  It really 
doesn't matter what we call it or how we do it - just that we do it - 
and it is wonderful to see that lots of positive work is happening in 
the USA even if the only news we hear is about collapsing banks.

Cheers,
Liz


From rainbird at skymesh.com.au  Wed Sep 17 14:13:42 2008
From: rainbird at skymesh.com.au (Jo Lewis)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 14:13:42 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Fw:  Fw:  It's the Food that I Love
In-Reply-To: <001201c91858$34e596a0$0100000a@yourfk3wzjtn19>
References: <001201c91858$34e596a0$0100000a@yourfk3wzjtn19>
Message-ID: <C4BF5447-3675-4F60-AE75-53AE6F6811BF@skymesh.com.au>

Interestingly world food prices for staple grains have seen the  
highest price increases in the last few years with rice topping the  
list with a fourfold increase in five years from $US197  per tonne to  
$US737 per tonne.
Article by Tim Colebatch in yesterday's Age:
http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/starving-the-world-for- 
profit-20080915- 4h20.html?page=-1
jo lewis
po box 157
bermagui 2546
rainbird at skymesh.com.au




On 17/09/2008, at 9:59 AM, Cindy and Martin wrote:

>
> Hi Scott,
> thanks for your reply. I've replied to some of your points below:
>
>
> >>I hear what you are saying about meat and diary and it is true  
> with current farm practises but not so long ago people had their  
> house cow/goat/sheep and ate meat sustainably through slaughtering  
> their own animals or selectively culling wild animals.
>
> This is no longer possible due to the size of the human population,  
> we do not have enough land to keep animals for food and to grow  
> enough plant food to feed the population. The planet only has  
> enough resources to sustain a meat & dairy eating population of 2  
> billion people. The amount of animals needed to satisfy our  
> 'wants' (because it is a want not a need) would mean that all the  
> environmental degredation and starvation of poorer populations  
> would still be occuring, the only difference would be a relative  
> reduction in animal suffering due to improved farming methods.
>
>
>
>  >>If the debate is an ethical or moral one it will be a hard sell.
>
> I disagree. Every environmental issue in the first world is sold on  
> ethical and moral grounds. Do people use solar power because THEIR  
> exisitance is at threat - no. We all know that there will be enough  
> fossil fuel to provide for our wants throughout our lifetime and  
> that our wealth (and on a global standard Australians are the Kerry  
> Packers and Bill Gates of the world, no matter how hard we *think*  
> we have it), and our wealth will allow us to keep consuming at the  
> rate we want during our own lifetime to the detriment of the people  
> on whose labour we prosper. We choose solar power from an ethical  
> and moral stand point. We care what happens to those who come after  
> us. We feel that all people should have a certain standard of  
> living. It's a wonderful thing that has been happening.
> David Suzuki pointed out that globally Australia's greenhouse  
> emissions make little difference to the environment but he also  
> stated that it is crucially important that we reduce them because  
> of the effect that will have on the psyche of the world. The 2nd &  
> 3rd world look to countries like us on how to 'be'. they follow us,  
> they look to us as leaders. Our burden is essentially a moral and  
> ethical one but people still feel committed because humans are  
> basically good and will think beyond themselves when presented with  
> the facts.
> Everything we now take for granted - recycling, saving water,  
> alternative energy - was once written off as 'unsellable'. The  
> thought was just like the one you've put forward "If people need to  
> do it out of the goodness of their heart they just won't do it".  
> But I think we've seen just how good some people's hearts are!
>
> >>Dairy and meat will naturally be consumed less as we move into an  
> economic depression.
>
> That's like saying that we will naturally use less fuel and  
> electricity as it becomes more expensive so there's no point  
> cutting back now. It makes everything we are doing with regard to  
> planning a transition town pointless. It's like saying lets just  
> continue as we are now until a disaster happens and then we can do  
> sometime about it. Isn't that what happened in Cuba?
>
> I'm very excited by the publicity starting to filter through for  
> veganism. I have a great optimism in the good of humanity and I  
> think when presented with the facts most people will at least give  
> thought to cutting back on their consumption of animal products -  
> every little bit helps even one day a week! As they say - driving a  
> hybrid car, changing to solar power and recycling are all good but  
> even combined they do not save as many resources or reduce your  
> carbon footprint as much as a switch to a vegan diet :)
>
> Cindy
>
>
> Cindy and Martin wrote:
>> Great to see your passion for local food Geoffrey!
>>
>> What I would like to see talked about in the blue print of 'our'  
>> transition town is food sustainability and the impact of our food  
>> production on the environment - our local environment and the  
>> world at large.
>>
>> I hear a lot of talk about 'food miles' , permaculture and  
>> organics but no attention paid to the environmental disaster that  
>> an animal based diet inflicts on the Earth and it's people and  
>> how, if we are truly serious about showing the way to a  
>> sustainable lifestyle that will allow all to be fed, we must  
>> address the 'meat & dairy' issue.
>>
>> I know it's unpopular, but I really don't think we can take  
>> seriously any plan that masquerades as a blue print for equitable,  
>> sustainable living for all of humanity if it doesn't look - in  
>> depth - at the implications of perpetuating a meat based diet.
>>
>> I'm not advocating a vegan diet for all (well, yeah I am, but I'm  
>> not THAT optimistic!), just a discussion of what percentage of our  
>> meat based diet can continue. How much land do we dedicate to meat  
>> & dairy production on a local scale that is sustainable on a  
>> global scale? How much of our precious food growing land do we  
>> allocate to produce the food of animals? How much scarce water  
>> gets allocated to growing their food, watering them and processing  
>> them? How much fossil fuel are we prepared to use growing the  
>> crops, harvesting, processing, carting the animals and  
>> refrigerating their carcasses?
>>
>> Are we really able to consume meat & dairy the way we have been,  
>> or do we have to cut back, make it a rarity?
>>
>> Here are a couple of links that may get people thinking about the  
>> issues that are really behind our seemingly benign desire for flesh:
>>
>>
>> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1839995,00.html
>>
>> http://www.nonviolenceunited.org/veganvideo.html
>>
>>
>> With everyone's obsession about 'food miles' it was heartening to  
>> see the cover of New Scientist magazine in the newsagent the other  
>> day proclaiming that the carbon footprint of a bowl of cereal was  
>> equivalent to driving a 4 wheel drive 7 kilometres but a steak was  
>> the equivalent of driving a 4 wheel drive 30 kilometres! So we  
>> need to move beyond 'how far has our food travelled?' and towards  
>> "what is the environmental (carbon) footprint of this meal?". I  
>> think that would give a truer indication of it's sustainability  
>> for the planet.
>>
>> Looking forward to seeing it on the agenda!
>> Cindy
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Geoffrey Grigg
>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 6:39 PM
>> Subject: [Transitiontown] It's the Food that I Love
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> A short question to you... about the food and the passion  
>> thereof... it may seem silly and an abuse of your 'list'  
>> patience ...but please bear with me...I think it's really  
>> important for us as a TT project....
>>
>> I've noticed in all the locally grown foods an underlying flavour  
>> of Vanilla, a tiny hint of spice like cloves or pepper and some  
>> floral shades of Jasmine, Freesia or Lilly Pilly fruit.
>>
>> It's like New Zealand wines, or Margaret River, Hunter, Tasmania  
>> or Clare Valley wines - they have a special quality and it's  
>> totally unmistakable and highly sought after.
>>
>> What is our flavour?
>>
>> For me the base note  (scent or flavour) is Vanilla and then the  
>> soaring spice and floral aromas and flavours come in - and I am  
>> left with that warm fresh buttery fudge taste that reminds me I am  
>> Home.
>>
>> My background is in winemaking and as a Chef - so I notice those  
>> things on purpose and I am blessed with a good sense of smell.
>>
>> The reason I ask is that if we are to make something of our local  
>> cuisine - it needs oooomphf! - I don't just want potatoes - I want  
>> Cobargo potatoes - I want Bemboka lamb - or Bermagui Kiwi Fruit  
>> because they are the best... and I want to grow Springvale Oranges  
>> because they make the best marmalade - and because it's locally made.
>>
>> These are the products we will fervently grow and work so hard for  
>> - if they are in demand - sought after - these are the foods that  
>> take us somewhere special ...These are the things that people will  
>> pay attention to ...and they want, because they are special ...and  
>> local.
>>
>> I think this is the unique selling point, the marketing position  
>> that Transition Towns needs - it's about us, our place, our  
>> special quality.
>>
>> Has anyone noticed this very special local flavour ?
>>
>> If you have - surely this tiny little twist of experience puts the  
>> Transition Towns project way, way beyond food security - and into  
>> the realms of divine inspiration. I must have Wapengo Oysters,  
>> Tanja Olives, Jellet Jellat corn. My Springvale Parsley is just to  
>> die for!
>>
>> There was a time when Kameruka Cheese was the best in Australia.  
>> The cheeses grown on the pastures at Tilba by Nic and Erika Dibden  
>> are just fantastic!
>>
>> I work at the small species abattoir one morning a week - and I  
>> noticed this Vanilla and spice scent in the chickens as I was  
>> gutting them - strange but true - local chickens have that local  
>> taste and aroma - and now I won't eat imported chickens - not  
>> because of food miles (although that is important to me) - but  
>> because the flavour is not there. It's the Food that I Love.
>>
>> I want Chris Franks' chickens - because they are the best you can  
>> buy. I will happily pay $20 a bird and squeeze that value out of  
>> it 3 times if the chicken was grown by Chris and Bev Franks. She  
>> cares for her birds and they show it. They are always healthy,  
>> they smell sweet and I want them.
>>
>> Isn't this where we are going ?
>>
>> With this attention to industry and quality, the passion for local  
>> food will be there.
>>
>> In the same way I car pool because I get to travel with my  
>> friends, I have renewable energy from our own sunlight.
>>
>> Surely we need to be going down the value-add road (where we are  
>> the product) if we are to provide the Australian marketing  
>> solution to Transition Towns being more than the usual suspects at  
>> the meetings.
>>
>> If you are in Transition Towns - that means local, community and  
>> quality.
>>
>> Suddenly a community garden makes sense - because I want to do it  
>> - not because I have to.
>>
>> This Wednesday at Niagara Cafe (from 6:30pm) we'll talk about  
>> introducing herbs to the main street under the magnolia trees. Is  
>> it about food security - no - it's about what you can do with the  
>> herbs.
>>
>> It's the food that I love. For that passion I will do anything.
>> -- 
>>
>> Geoffrey Grigg,
>> 02-6492 5000
>> 0447 273 342
>> Project Coordinator, Community Network
>> Editor, Sustain Magazine
>> geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
>> The Australian Community Network
>> "The Central", Gipps St,
>> Bega NSW 2550
>>
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From scott at greengoddess.net.au  Wed Sep 17 18:23:13 2008
From: scott at greengoddess.net.au (Scott White)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 18:23:13 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] American version of TT Book
Message-ID: <48D0BE71.8090809@greengoddess.net.au>

*/Post Carbon Cities: Planning for Energy and Climate Uncertainty/* is a 
guidebook on peak oil <http://www.energybulletin.net/primer.php> and 
global warming for people who work with and for local governments in the 
United States and Canada. It provides a sober look at how these 
phenomena are quickly creating new uncertainties and vulnerabilities for 
cities of all sizes, and explains what local decision-makers can do to 
address these challenges.

http://postcarboncities.net/guidebook
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From scott at greengoddess.net.au  Wed Sep 17 22:11:29 2008
From: scott at greengoddess.net.au (Scott White)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2008 22:11:29 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] American version of TT Book
In-Reply-To: <48D0E94A.1030201@guru.com.au>
References: <48D0BE71.8090809@greengoddess.net.au>
	<48D0E94A.1030201@guru.com.au>
Message-ID: <48D0F3F1.6080003@greengoddess.net.au>

Thanks John,

I live on Flinders Island and am waiting for my copy to arrive but 
thanks for the generous offer. It would be great to read a revue 
comparing this book and the TT book. I have not read either. There is 
also another on the horizon with an Australian twist:


*Resilient Cities *

*Responding to Peak Oil and Climate Change*

Resilient Cities 	  	
Peter Newman 	  	
Timothy Beatley 	  	
Heather Boyer 	  	

200 pages
Publisher: Island Press, USA
Publication date: January 2009



Half of the world's inhabitants now live in cities. In the next twenty 
years, the number of urban dwellers will swell to an estimated five 
billion people. With their inefficient transportation systems and poorly 
designed buildings, many cities---especially in the United 
States---consume enormous quantities of fossil fuels and emit high 
levels of greenhouse gases. But our planet is rapidly running out of the 
carbon-based fuels that have powered urban growth for centuries and we 
seem to be unable to curb our greenhouse gas emissions. Are the world's 
cities headed for inevitable collapse?

The authors of this spirited book don't believe that oblivion is 
necessarily the destiny of urban areas. Instead, they believe that 
intelligent planning and visionary leadership can help cities meet the 
impending crises, and look to existing initiatives in cities around the 
world. Rather than responding with fear (as a legion of doomsaying 
prognosticators have done), they choose hope. First, they confront the 
problems, describing where we stand today in our use of oil and our 
contribution to climate change. They then present four possible outcomes 
for cities: 'collapse,' 'ruralised,' 'divided,' and 'resilient.' In 
response to their scenarios, they articulate how a new 'sustainable 
urbanism' could replace today's 'carbon-consuming urbanism.' They 
address in detail how new transportation systems and buildings can be 
feasibly developed to replace our present low efficiency systems. In 
conclusion, they offer ten 'strategic steps' that any city can take 
toward greater sustainability and resilience.

This is not a book filled with 'blue sky' theory (although blue skies 
will be a welcome result of its recommendations). Rather, it is packed 
with practical ideas, some of which are already working in cities today. 
It frankly admits that our cities have problems that will worsen if they 
are not addressed, but it suggests that these problems are solvable. And 
the time to begin solving them is now. Author Information
*Peter Newman* is professor of sustainability at Curtin University in 
Western Australia. He is the author of Cities as Sustainable Ecosystems 
<http://www.publish.csiro.au/pid/5675.htm>.

*Timothy Beatley* is Teresa Heinz Professor of Sustainable Communities 
at the University of Virginia. His books include Green Urbanism Down 
Under <http://www.publish.csiro.au/pid/5928.htm>.

http://www.publish.csiro.au/pid/5927.htm


John Barlow wrote:
>
> Hi Scott - you will be pleased to hear that the Bega Valley Council 
> bought 20 copies of the book after it was shown to them, there is a 
> copy in the Bega Library for borrowing, and I have a copy if you want 
> to read it and can't get the one at the library.
>
>
> John Barlow
>
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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Thu Sep 18 06:00:57 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 06:00:57 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Fw:  It's the Food that I Love
In-Reply-To: <003401c917f2$052c65d0$0100000a@yourfk3wzjtn19>
References: <003401c917f2$052c65d0$0100000a@yourfk3wzjtn19>
Message-ID: <48D161F9.1090401@bigpond.net.au>

Thanks Cindy,

Really interesting area this one. I guess I fit into the ethical 
omnivore category in hoping to move toward eating meat rarely or for 
special celebratory occasions. Forming working relationships with 
animals is critical in a post carbon world and from a permaculture 
perspective, they provide multiple function and a by-product of that is 
meat production. So looking not at growing meat for meats sake, rather a 
by-product of a system.

At BEND we adopted a 'no pets' policy and if you look at figures 
relating to how much energy is consumed looking after pets, its revealing.

Think also we need to look at wild harvesting of native animals such as 
kangaroos where the energy equation is quite low and at the same time 
providing carbon sequestration through grazing of grasses which is a 
very little understood area in terms of the role grazing plays in CO2 
reductions.

Quite right about measuring embodied energy rather than food miles. We 
call it EMERGY in permaculture that was developed by the US Ecologist 
Howard Odum and measures energy equation for anything from its original 
source, the sun....in joules.Again, little understood this. I wish 
Organic Certification used this rather than just measuring soil management.

Useful discussion this.

kind regards
John

Cindy and Martin wrote:

> Great to see your passion for local food Geoffrey!
>  
> What I would like to see talked about in the blue print of 'our' 
> transition town is food sustainability and the impact of our food 
> production on the environment - our local environment and the world at 
> large.
>  
> I hear a lot of talk about 'food miles' , permaculture and organics 
> but no attention paid to the environmental disaster that an animal 
> based diet inflicts on the Earth and it's people and how, if we are 
> truly serious about showing the way to a sustainable lifestyle that 
> will allow all to be fed, we must address the 'meat & dairy' issue.
>  
> I know it's unpopular, but I really don't think we can take seriously 
> any plan that masquerades as a blue print for equitable, sustainable 
> living for all of humanity if it doesn't look - in depth - at the 
> implications of perpetuating a meat based diet.
>  
> I'm not advocating a vegan diet for all (well, yeah I am, but I'm not 
> THAT optimistic!), just a discussion of what percentage of our meat 
> based diet can continue. How much land do we dedicate to meat & dairy 
> production on a local scale that is sustainable on a global scale? How 
> much of our precious food growing land do we allocate to produce the 
> food of animals? How much scarce water gets allocated to growing their 
> food, watering them and processing them? How much fossil fuel are we 
> prepared to use growing the crops, harvesting, processing, carting the 
> animals and refrigerating their carcasses?
>  
> Are we really able to consume meat & dairy the way we have been, or do 
> we have to cut back, make it a rarity?
>  
> Here are a couple of links that may get people thinking about the 
> issues that are really behind our seemingly benign desire for flesh:
>  
>  
> http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1839995,00.html 
> <http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1839995,00.html>
>  
> http://www.nonviolenceunited.org/veganvideo.html
>  
>  
> With everyone's obsession about 'food miles' it was heartening to see 
> the cover of New Scientist magazine in the newsagent the other day 
> proclaiming that the carbon footprint of a bowl of cereal was 
> equivalent to driving a 4 wheel drive 7 kilometres but a steak was the 
> equivalent of driving a 4 wheel drive _30 kilometres_! So we need to 
> move beyond 'how far has our food travelled?' and towards "what is the 
> environmental (carbon) footprint of this meal?". I think that would 
> give a truer indication of it's sustainability for the planet.
>  
> Looking forward to seeing it on the agenda!
> Cindy
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Geoffrey Grigg <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>     *To:* transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>     <mailto:transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>     *Sent:* Monday, September 15, 2008 6:39 PM
>     *Subject:* [Transitiontown] It's the Food that I Love
>
>     Hi all,
>
>     A short question to you... *about the food and the passion*
>     *thereof*... it may seem silly and an abuse of your 'list'
>     patience ...but please bear with me...I think it's really
>     important for us as a TT project....
>
>     I've noticed in all the locally grown foods an underlying flavour
>     of Vanilla, a tiny hint of spice like cloves or pepper and some
>     floral shades of Jasmine, Freesia or Lilly Pilly fruit.
>
>     It's like New Zealand wines, or Margaret River, Hunter, Tasmania
>     or Clare Valley wines - they have a special quality and it's
>     totally unmistakable and highly sought after.
>
>     *What is our flavour?*
>
>     For me the base note  (scent or flavour) is Vanilla and then the
>     soaring spice and floral aromas and flavours come in - and I am
>     left with that warm fresh buttery fudge taste that reminds me I am
>     Home.
>
>     My background is in winemaking and as a Chef - so I notice those
>     things on purpose and I am blessed with a good sense of smell.
>
>     The reason I ask is that if we are to make something of our local
>     cuisine - /it needs oooomphf! /- I don't just want potatoes - I
>     want Cobargo potatoes - I want Bemboka lamb - or Bermagui Kiwi
>     Fruit because they are the best... and I want to grow Springvale
>     Oranges because they make /the best/ marmalade - /and /because
>     it's locally made.
>
>     These are the products we will fervently grow and work so hard for
>     - if they are in demand - sought after - these are the foods that
>     take us somewhere /special/* *...These are the things that people
>     will pay attention to ...and they want, because they are special
>     .../and/ local.
>
>     I think this is the unique selling point, /the marketing position/
>     that Transition Towns needs - /it's about us, our place, our
>     special quality./
>
>     *Has anyone noticed this very special local flavour ?*
>
>     If you have - surely this tiny little twist of experience puts the
>     Transition Towns project way, way beyond food security - and into
>     the realms of divine inspiration. I must have Wapengo Oysters,
>     Tanja Olives, Jellet Jellat corn. *My Springvale Parsley is just
>     to die for!*
>
>     There was a time when Kameruka Cheese was the best in Australia.
>     The cheeses grown on the pastures at Tilba by Nic and Erika Dibden
>     are just fantastic!
>
>     I work at the small species abattoir one morning a week - and I
>     noticed this Vanilla and spice scent in the chickens as I was
>     gutting them - strange but true - local chickens* *have that local
>     taste and aroma - and now I won't eat imported chickens - not
>     because of food miles (although that is important to me) - but
>     because the flavour is not there. *It's the Food that I Love.*
>
>     I want Chris Franks' chickens - because they are the best you can
>     buy. I will happily pay $20 a bird and squeeze that value out of
>     it 3 times if the chicken was grown by Chris and Bev Franks. She
>     cares for her birds and they show it. They are always healthy,
>     they smell sweet and I want them.
>
>     *Isn't this where we are going ?*
>
>     With this attention to industry and quality, the passion for local
>     food will be there.
>
>     In the same way I car pool because I get to travel with my
>     friends, I have renewable energy from our own sunlight.
>
>     Surely we need to be going down the value-add road (where we are
>     the product) if we are to provide the Australian marketing
>     solution to Transition Towns being more than the usual suspects at
>     the meetings.
>
>     If you are in Transition Towns - that means *local, community and
>     quality.*
>
>     Suddenly a community garden makes sense - because I want to do it
>     - not because I have to.
>
>     This Wednesday at Niagara Cafe (from 6:30pm) we'll talk about
>     introducing herbs to the main street under the magnolia trees. Is
>     it about food security - no - it's about what you can do with the
>     herbs.
>
>     It's the food that I love. For that passion I will do anything.
>     -- 
>
>     *Geoffrey Grigg,*
>     *02-6492 5000*
>     *0447 273 342*
>     *Project Coordinator, Community Network*
>     *Editor, Sustain Magazine*
>     geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au
>     <mailto:geoffreygrigg at thebegavalley.org.au>
>     	The Australian Community Network
>     <http://australiancommunities.org.au>
>     "The Central", Gipps St,
>     Bega NSW 2550
>
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From anadodero at bigpond.com  Thu Sep 18 08:12:50 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:12:50 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Fw:  It's the Food that I Love
References: <003401c917f2$052c65d0$0100000a@yourfk3wzjtn19>
	<48D161F9.1090401@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <002001c91912$86d17730$65e38b90@19ffa783137a4f4>

John, you said -about what meat to eat - same I was going to write. Thanks 
for saving me the trouble.

YES, I ALSO THINK WE SHOULD EAT KANGAROOS TOO !!!

We are doing almost the same stupid thing the first settlers did out of 
ignorance: we do not see how good the aborigenes were fed before the 
introduction of foreign animals, plus they - the English people - died of 
starvation or rotten meat.... still similar scenary after so many years....

Ana Walker 


From anadodero at bigpond.com  Thu Sep 18 08:29:11 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:29:11 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] about pets at BEND
Message-ID: <002701c91914$cf475a50$65e38b90@19ffa783137a4f4>

Forgot to comment in my mail I've just sent you about PETS:

Honestly John, I think it is cruel do not let people have pets.

Especially 'disabled', old, and alienated/marginal people who you suppose to lodge. They need to have at least a pet for their well-being; it is 'scientifically' proved.

Do you know we could have native animals for pets?
I do not remember the name of the little carnivorous that could be adopted as a cat/dog and it is very cute. And what about birds, etc.?

Anyway, only a thought.

Cheers.
Ana  
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From jennyspinks at acr.net.au  Thu Sep 18 09:13:35 2008
From: jennyspinks at acr.net.au (Jenny Spinks)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:13:35 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] about pets at BEND
In-Reply-To: <002701c91914$cf475a50$65e38b90@19ffa783137a4f4>
References: <002701c91914$cf475a50$65e38b90@19ffa783137a4f4>
Message-ID: <1221693211_48877@mailstor.netspeed.com.au>

Hi Ana,

BEND has its usual Bendy attitude to pets.

If you go to our web site www.bend.org.au and then to resources you 
will find our Management Statement to download. Section 29 is about animals.

We spent a long time getting there and did consider your points. Let 
us know what you think of how it looks.

love, Jenny

At 08:29 AM 18-09-08, Ana Walker wrote:

>Forgot to comment in my mail I've just sent you about PETS:
>
>Honestly John, I think it is cruel do not let people have pets.
>
>Especially 'disabled', old, and alienated/marginal people who you 
>suppose to lodge. They need to have at least a pet for their 
>well-being; it is 'scientifically' proved.
>
>Do you know we could have native animals for pets?
>I do not remember the name of the little carnivorous that could be 
>adopted as a cat/dog and it is very cute. And what about birds, etc.?
>
>Anyway, only a thought.
>
>Cheers.
>Ana
>
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From scott at greengoddess.net.au  Thu Sep 18 10:10:17 2008
From: scott at greengoddess.net.au (Scott White)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:10:17 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] what is the fairest decision making process?
Message-ID: <48D19C69.5060601@greengoddess.net.au>

I think one of the critical areas to get right for any organisation is 
how o make decisions.

Has anyone been involved with sociocracy before and if so what are your 
feelings about using it as a way to make decisions?


*About Sociocracy
**Creating More Perfect Organizations * 
<http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#sociocracy>*
History of Sociocracy <http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#history>
Gerard Endenburg <http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#gerardendenburg>
Consent Decision-making
<http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#decisionmaking>The Four Governing 
Principles
Objections and Aims
<http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#FourPrinciples>**Self-Organization 
and Governance <http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#SelfOrganization>


**Creating More Perfect Organizations*

Sociocratic businesses and organizations set policy by consent and use a 
governance structure in which each person in the organization is 
appropriately engaged in making and evaluating the policies that affect 
their domain of responsibility. Working in self-organizing, 
semi-autonomous circles, they decide how they will meet the aims of 
their organization most effectively.

One of the struggles in building effective organizations is finding an 
efficient and reliable method of making good and timely decisions. In 
democratic organizations, majority vote is the accepted standard. 
Majority rule, however, automatically creates a minority. This 
encourages factions and divisiveness rather than harmony. Majority rule 
encourages people to build alliances, to trade favors, and think 
politically rather than scientifically and in terms of the best 
direction for the organization.

In business, decisions are generally made autocratically by the owner or 
manager or by a Board on behalf of investors. This can lead to poor 
decisions because those who execute them may not be free to express 
their views and thus critical information is not available in the 
decision-making process. As in majority vote, those who are not included 
in the decision making may also feel less comitted and thus will not 
enthusiastically support the organization. Autocratic decision-making 
also does not encourage leadership.

Sociocracy was developed to correct the deficiencies in both these 
methods.....

http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html

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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Thu Sep 18 10:34:46 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:34:46 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] what is the fairest decision making process?
In-Reply-To: <48D19C69.5060601@greengoddess.net.au>
References: <48D19C69.5060601@greengoddess.net.au>
Message-ID: <48D1A226.1060306@bigpond.net.au>

Thanks Scott,

Yes, sociocracy is great.

 Right at the beginning of setting up SETT we looked at the process of 
decision making and agreed that this group would adopt the version of 
the consensus model that I was familiar with working and facilitating on 
with BEND.( Bega Eco Neighbourhood Developers)

I'd hope that as other groups within TTs role out, that this would also 
happen. However, it is a skill to learn and maybe lots of workshops are 
required to train folk up on how this model of decision making works. I 
see this and creative facilitation critical to any successful TT initiative.

kind regards
John

Scott White wrote:

> I think one of the critical areas to get right for any organisation is 
> how o make decisions.
>
> Has anyone been involved with sociocracy before and if so what are 
> your feelings about using it as a way to make decisions?
>
>
> *About Sociocracy
> **Creating More Perfect Organizations * 
> <http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#sociocracy>*
> History of Sociocracy <http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#history>
> Gerard Endenburg <http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#gerardendenburg>
> Consent Decision-making
> <http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#decisionmaking>The Four 
> Governing Principles
> Objections and Aims
> <http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#FourPrinciples>**Self-Organization 
> and Governance <http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html#SelfOrganization>
>
>
> **Creating More Perfect Organizations*
>
> Sociocratic businesses and organizations set policy by consent and use 
> a governance structure in which each person in the organization is 
> appropriately engaged in making and evaluating the policies that 
> affect their domain of responsibility. Working in self-organizing, 
> semi-autonomous circles, they decide how they will meet the aims of 
> their organization most effectively.
>
> One of the struggles in building effective organizations is finding an 
> efficient and reliable method of making good and timely decisions. In 
> democratic organizations, majority vote is the accepted standard. 
> Majority rule, however, automatically creates a minority. This 
> encourages factions and divisiveness rather than harmony. Majority 
> rule encourages people to build alliances, to trade favors, and think 
> politically rather than scientifically and in terms of the best 
> direction for the organization.
>
> In business, decisions are generally made autocratically by the owner 
> or manager or by a Board on behalf of investors. This can lead to poor 
> decisions because those who execute them may not be free to express 
> their views and thus critical information is not available in the 
> decision-making process. As in majority vote, those who are not 
> included in the decision making may also feel less comitted and thus 
> will not enthusiastically support the organization. Autocratic 
> decision-making also does not encourage leadership.
>
> Sociocracy was developed to correct the deficiencies in both these 
> methods.....
>
> http://www.sociocracy.info/about.html
>
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From scott at greengoddess.net.au  Fri Sep 19 11:15:35 2008
From: scott at greengoddess.net.au (Scott White)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2008 11:15:35 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Richard Heinberg - Resilient Communities Part 1 of
	6
Message-ID: <48D2FD37.8010309@greengoddess.net.au>


  Richard Heinberg - Resilient Communities Part 1 of 6

Richard Heinberg, author of The Party's Over, Power Down, & Peak 
Everything, delivers his latest thoughts and strategies for dealing with 
Peak Oil and Climate Change at the Positive Energy Conference at the 
Findhorn Ecovillage. Still trying to iron out a few tech difficulties 
but the rest should be up soon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9srawwb5LY&feature=related


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From wrcbega at bigpond.com  Thu Sep 18 11:46:32 2008
From: wrcbega at bigpond.com (Women's Resource Centre)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:46:32 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] ArtBeat Neighbourhood Outreach- invite you to come
	along
Message-ID: <17D6FAB663144CBFA077D06330EF50F4@wrc100>

Women's Resource Centre is holding an ARTBEAT Neighbourhood Outreach Day on wed 8/10/08 12noon -3pm at Columbine Memorial Park in the Glebe Estate. The idea is to take the community and it's organisations and groups to the community in a day of art craft and live music. I See transition town info including CEFE, LETS, Seedsavers, Farmers Markets et al  as  important part of promoting and creating community. To that end we would welcome your input and presence, perhaps a stall? on this day. It is a chance to talk to people who might not come to the Niagara gig. The day will be a festival type atmosphere with free food and activities. Phone Gabrielle 64921367 or Wendy 0415489554 for more info



Coordinator 
Women's Resource Centre
29 Parker St Bega NSW 2550
PO Box 468 Bega NSW 2550
Phone/fax: 02 6492 1367
Email: wrcbega at bigpond.com
www.southernwomensgroup.org.au 

Please consider the environment before you print this email

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From info at adobewebs.com  Mon Sep 22 07:23:12 2008
From: info at adobewebs.com (ADOBE WEBSITE DESIGNS)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 07:23:12 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Traffic movement & spending $$ on roads
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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Mon Sep 22 17:07:05 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 17:07:05 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] ABC radio tomorrow
Message-ID: <48D74419.3060306@bigpond.net.au>


Hello everyone,

On my local ABC radio program tomorrow at 9.30am I have a very 
interesting and unusual guest. Jim Walsh makes dog chariots. Thats 
right.......uses dogs to get him around town as transport.He is an 
enginner and designed these carts that mostly get exported to the US. 
Not many takers in OZ apparently but I was wondering how to get around 
Bega when we move into town. How about cob mud dog kennels in Carp St 
for resting animals with a worm farm attached for dealing with droppings 
that then go onto the nut trees when we get rid of the magnolias....ah 
the mind boggles!

kind regards
John

From anadodero at bigpond.com  Tue Sep 23 08:42:32 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:42:32 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Fw: Bermagui
Message-ID: <000d01c91d04$812d8ad0$889a8a90@19ffa783137a4f4>


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From:
To: Ana Walker 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 6:37 PM
Subject: Bermagui

SYDNEY MORNING HERALD, Monday 22nd September, 2008.

THE BATTLE FOR BERMAGUI

Marioan Wilkinson.

The constant dull roar of heavy machinery was regularly punctuated by the loud cracking of a tree. The loggers in the state?s south-eastern forests were going about their busainess uninterrpupted. At Eden a new Japanese vessel headed into the harbour to load woodchips for Nippon Paper Industries and the Itochu Corporation, two of Japan?s biggest paper manufacturers.

A handful of anti-logging activists, including the former fashion designer Prue Acton, surveyed some of the flattened coupes with dismay.

?We have decided our campaign,? she said. ?Natural native forests are part of the essential solution to climate change, water and biodiversity?. The forestry industry fears some activists are planning a blockade next month when logging moves to a new site near Bermagui. ?Green groups have indicated they are likely to physically oppose this harvesting operation and blockade general access,? said Vince Phillips, of South East Fibre Exports, which is owned by the Japanese paper companies. But the industry knows it is facing a far bigger challenge than a blockade, with new scientific research threatening to reshape the toxic politics of the forestry debate. Australian National University researchers, led by Brendan Mackey, have found that native forests store far more carbon dixodie then prevously thought and could be crucial to climate change policy. It is called the ?green carbon? argument. A study by the ANU economist Judith Ajani also argues that Australia is about to face a bumper supply of plantation timber that could allow it to hugely scale back native forest logging while still producing enough hardwood and softwood for domestic use and export. 

Deforestation and native forest degradation are estimated to account for some 20 per cent of Australian?s annual net greenhouse gas emissions. Dr Mackey says the Government cannot ignore the carbon benefits of protecting Australian native forests. ?We need a broader, more sophisticated debate that recognises green carbon,? he said.





 

 

 





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From info at treefarm.net.au  Tue Sep 23 09:11:31 2008
From: info at treefarm.net.au (Tree Farm)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:11:31 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Fw: Funding situation for SE NSW Private Forestry
Message-ID: <1164CDC18C9F4785930025872792D2A4@park>

If you think that the Federal Government is going to save the forests, think again. With out tree  plantings on private land  the bush will be gone. Cheers Jeff Knight

Subject: Funding situation for SE NSW Private Forestry


Hello

A short note to let you know that the Federal Government has decided not to provide funding for our organisation and 18 similar groups around Australia, after June 30, 2008.  We are still waiting to see if the State Government (Dept Primary Industries) will provide the financial support we expected, had the Federal Government continued with their commitment to supporting the development of a timber industry based on cleared agricultural land.

 

Without additional funding we will be closing our door at the end of July and I am in the process of shutting down our organisation whilst we still have reserves that allow us to meet our financial commitments.

 

Options for the future.

The five Private Forestry Development Committees in NSW will be putting in a joint bid for funding under the Caring for our Country program.  There are limited funds available and there will be many applicants from other NRM groups so we're not optimistic that our bid will be successful.  Also, it may be 12 months before a decision is made.

 

In February I applied for project funding under the National Landcare Program Sustainable Practices funding round.  If successful we will be able to continue in a modified form for another 12 months.  Again, there will be many applicants for this so I am not confident of a positive outcome.

 

If Department of Primary Industries provides support we will have time to prepare other funding bids that might meet the government's new policy directions.

 

Whilst waiting and in between cleaning out filing cupboards and terminating our office lease and closing accounts, I want to thank you for your support and interest over the past 15 years.  I think we've done some good work to demonstrate the potential for farm forestry in our region and I think this will increase further when an emissions trading scheme is finally introduced.  I hope to be around to see this. 

 

Regards

 

Louise

 

 

 

Louise Maud

Exec Officer

SE NSW Private Forestry

PO Box 867

Bega    2550

02 64925578

 



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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Sun Sep 28 09:07:21 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2008 09:07:21 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Tuesdays radio show
Message-ID: <48DEBCA9.5040406@bigpond.net.au>


Hello everyone,

Apologies for cross posting.

On Tuesdays ABC 'Transition Initiatives' program I'm not going to have a 
gust on but rather open the phone lines up to all of you to call in.

Small and meaningful steps is what the good Professor Stuart Hill says 
in a way of spreading the word and by telling your story it projects a 
powerful message to the uninitiated.

So please, if your listening in tell us how your TT initiative is going 
or just your hopes and visions for your town.

kind regards
John.

PS - This Wednesday evening at Niagara Cafe we delve into the issue of 
Energy solutions.....all welcome.


From geoffrey at austcom.org.au  Mon Sep 29 10:07:45 2008
From: geoffrey at austcom.org.au (Geoffrey Grigg)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:07:45 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transition Bega at the Niagara this week
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From: info at adobewebs.com (ADOBE WEBSITE DESIGNS)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:23:09 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: Footprints #20 from John James - "Carbon
	emissions rising rapidly"]
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