From oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au  Tue Nov  4 21:58:24 2008
From: oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au (Jason S)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2008 02:58:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
In-Reply-To: <684078.44949.qm@web38505.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <986395.43359.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

G'day Mattew and TT Crew,

Reducing our needs make them easier to meet.

One thing I think would really help from a CEFE point of veiw is for the public to have easy access to those gadgets that you can plug your appliances in to that give you a reading of how much electricity you are using. It would really help people learn how much electricity they are using when they turn stuff on. You could do your own energy audit that way, reduce useage and save some dollars. Promoting awareness and responsibility. 

Wouldn't it be good if you could go and borrow one of these out at the local library.

Jason


--- On Tue, 16/9/08, Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> From: Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> Received: Tuesday, 16 September, 2008, 4:02 PM
> Well done to all those that have worked so hard to make TT
> such an exciting concept. It seems to be getting a lot of
> people fired up, and is a great way of bringing the many
> sustainability groups together.
> From a cefe point of view, the establishment of TT's is
> terrific, as it allows us to be more focussed in what we are
> doing. What I want cefe to be able to focus on is;
> -1 turning LifeSaving Energy into a national campaign. It
> is on the verge of going national, and I am hoping that it
> well help draw attention to the many good things that have
> been going on in SE NSW.
> -2 community owned solar farms. Creating a replicable model
> for community owned power stations, that can then be
> exported right across the region, giving us a solid platform
> for meeting 50/50 by 2020
> -3 Setting up Bega town to be suplied by 100% home grown
> renewablwe energy, using a community owned solar farm, a
> wind farm, and hopefully some biogas. I reckon we can get
> there within 5 years. To that end, we are planning a public
> meeting? at Bega RSL on 5/11, and I am keen to get a good
> turnout there, to put pressure on Mike Kelly. If you think a
> 100% renewable target for Bega is too ambitious, come to the
> meeting and we will try and convince you otherwise.
> ?
> We are holding a similar meeting in Berridale on 6/11 where
> Cooma cefe will present the findings of the 50/50 by 2020
> working group. We may be able to start putting pressure on
> the Comma council to adopt 50/50x2020.
> ?
> CEFE seems to fit under the umbrella of TT's very
> nicely. 
> 
> 
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From jdb at guru.com.au  Tue Nov  4 22:06:59 2008
From: jdb at guru.com.au (John Barlow)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2008 22:06:59 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
In-Reply-To: <986395.43359.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <986395.43359.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <49102CD3.8010803@guru.com.au>


Hmm, I hadn't thought about using the library to loan them out.  I have 
one (on loan to Steve Ryan at the moment, I think), and I will chat to 
the library to see if they would handle them (might be some issues with 
liability, electrical gadgets and all) - but worth asking !

Any other great ideas ?


Jason S wrote:
> G'day Mattew and TT Crew,
>
> Reducing our needs make them easier to meet.
>
> One thing I think would really help from a CEFE point of veiw is for the public to have easy access to those gadgets that you can plug your appliances in to that give you a reading of how much electricity you are using. It would really help people learn how much electricity they are using when they turn stuff on. You could do your own energy audit that way, reduce useage and save some dollars. Promoting awareness and responsibility. 
>
> Wouldn't it be good if you could go and borrow one of these out at the local library.
>
> Jason
>
>
> --- On Tue, 16/9/08, Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
>> Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
>> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Received: Tuesday, 16 September, 2008, 4:02 PM
>> Well done to all those that have worked so hard to make TT
>> such an exciting concept. It seems to be getting a lot of
>> people fired up, and is a great way of bringing the many
>> sustainability groups together.
>> From a cefe point of view, the establishment of TT's is
>> terrific, as it allows us to be more focussed in what we are
>> doing. What I want cefe to be able to focus on is;
>> -1 turning LifeSaving Energy into a national campaign. It
>> is on the verge of going national, and I am hoping that it
>> well help draw attention to the many good things that have
>> been going on in SE NSW.
>> -2 community owned solar farms. Creating a replicable model
>> for community owned power stations, that can then be
>> exported right across the region, giving us a solid platform
>> for meeting 50/50 by 2020
>> -3 Setting up Bega town to be suplied by 100% home grown
>> renewablwe energy, using a community owned solar farm, a
>> wind farm, and hopefully some biogas. I reckon we can get
>> there within 5 years. To that end, we are planning a public
>> meeting  at Bega RSL on 5/11, and I am keen to get a good
>> turnout there, to put pressure on Mike Kelly. If you think a
>> 100% renewable target for Bega is too ambitious, come to the
>> meeting and we will try and convince you otherwise.
>>  
>> We are holding a similar meeting in Berridale on 6/11 where
>> Cooma cefe will present the findings of the 50/50 by 2020
>> working group. We may be able to start putting pressure on
>> the Comma council to adopt 50/50x2020.
>>  
>> CEFE seems to fit under the umbrella of TT's very
>> nicely. 
>>
>>
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From nodig at iimetro.com.au  Wed Nov  5 22:23:42 2008
From: nodig at iimetro.com.au (Christa)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:23:42 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
References: <986395.43359.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6FC98FC38ADA4AAB8906505A9358BFFF@PC273816962318>

Hi Jason
Having lived on solar for a few years now, I am slowly learning the meaning 
of the numbers on electric appliances! I have just upgraded my system and 
now have plenty of power. Before I had to work out which appliances caused 
too much drain on the system and which ones required the use of the 
generator to supplement the system.

When purchasing appliances look for ones with lower watts for example my old 
TV uses 85W whilst some new TVs and sound systems use 2500W - twice as much 
as my vaccuum cleaner which needed the gennie! New light bulbs use less than 
15W whereas the older ones were 100W. Radios are cool! They only use 5 - 
15W!  Toasters, electric kettles and electric frypans or anything with a 
heating element use over 1200W. These appliances and others like microwaves, 
hairdryers, heaters are all considered 'luxury' appliances to those of us on 
solar!

There are some books on solar power that help you work out your average 
power use (basically to determine the size of  a system you may require). If 
you use that method you can work out your usage and quickly learn where you 
are using the power and probably adopt methods for saving power. Apparently 
power stations have to produce more power than is required to allow for 
unexpected useage and some of this power is lost as friction on the lines on 
the way to your homes. AND its becoming more expensive (so I am told!) Hope 
the above info helps? It an alternative to those 'gadgets'!

Good luck and congratulations for being another peson willing to help reduce 
the worlds greenhouse gas emissions.
Christa.
(Cobargo NSW)


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jason S" <oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au>
To: <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
Cc: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity


G'day Mattew and TT Crew,

Reducing our needs make them easier to meet.

One thing I think would really help from a CEFE point of veiw is for the 
public to have easy access to those gadgets that you can plug your 
appliances in to that give you a reading of how much electricity you are 
using. It would really help people learn how much electricity they are using 
when they turn stuff on. You could do your own energy audit that way, reduce 
useage and save some dollars. Promoting awareness and responsibility.

Wouldn't it be good if you could go and borrow one of these out at the local 
library.

Jason


--- On Tue, 16/9/08, Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> From: Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> Received: Tuesday, 16 September, 2008, 4:02 PM
> Well done to all those that have worked so hard to make TT
> such an exciting concept. It seems to be getting a lot of
> people fired up, and is a great way of bringing the many
> sustainability groups together.
> From a cefe point of view, the establishment of TT's is
> terrific, as it allows us to be more focussed in what we are
> doing. What I want cefe to be able to focus on is;
> -1 turning LifeSaving Energy into a national campaign. It
> is on the verge of going national, and I am hoping that it
> well help draw attention to the many good things that have
> been going on in SE NSW.
> -2 community owned solar farms. Creating a replicable model
> for community owned power stations, that can then be
> exported right across the region, giving us a solid platform
> for meeting 50/50 by 2020
> -3 Setting up Bega town to be suplied by 100% home grown
> renewablwe energy, using a community owned solar farm, a
> wind farm, and hopefully some biogas. I reckon we can get
> there within 5 years. To that end, we are planning a public
> meeting at Bega RSL on 5/11, and I am keen to get a good
> turnout there, to put pressure on Mike Kelly. If you think a
> 100% renewable target for Bega is too ambitious, come to the
> meeting and we will try and convince you otherwise.
>
> We are holding a similar meeting in Berridale on 6/11 where
> Cooma cefe will present the findings of the 50/50 by 2020
> working group. We may be able to start putting pressure on
> the Comma council to adopt 50/50x2020.
>
> CEFE seems to fit under the umbrella of TT's very
> nicely.
>
>
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> Get Yahoo!7 Mail!
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From asmarshall11 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 08:41:53 2008
From: asmarshall11 at gmail.com (Angela Marshall)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 08:41:53 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] FYI...
Message-ID: <3e597ad10811051341g1aa6e2c3h58cd5cf17a80ffa7@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,

A most unlikely success story that centres on a small and distinctly
disadvantaged community taking charge of their own agricultural products
(with appropriate assistance from the developed world) and making a success
story by value adding in a big way. It would be interesting to follow it up
in a few years.

ttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/dining/05choc.html?em<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/05/dining/05choc.html?em>

Cheers
Angela
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From anadodero at bigpond.com  Fri Nov  7 10:33:15 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2008 10:33:15 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Fw: THE TRIANGLE COMMUNITY GARDEN NEXT MEETING.
Message-ID: <00cc01c94068$0b54c0d0$97758690@19ffa783137a4f4>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ana Walker 
To: Ana Walker 
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: THE TRIANGLE COMMUNITY GARDEN NEXT MEETING. 


REMAINDER:

Next meeting for THE TRIANGLE COMMUNITY OF GARDENERS to be held 
                     SUNDAY 16th NOVEMBER
               "KINETIX" GARDENS
                          10 am

       Corner of Princes Hwy and Bermagui Rd.
                             Cobargo

            Margo Hinton-Pantland: 64936490 

      Bring please snack/plate to share and a chair 


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From robeau at acr.net.au  Fri Nov  7 12:21:28 2008
From: robeau at acr.net.au (robeau at acr.net.au)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 11:21:28 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Electicity measuring gadgets at Tathra
Message-ID: <49139818.10f.2ff8.1368220748@netspeed.com.au>

Hi Christa and Jason

You can buy those power monitors for measuring the energy
use of individual applicances from Michael Wood at Tathra -
he is green electrician extrordinaire and has a fund of
knowledge and resource information. His number is 6494 1401.
They cost $50.

Regards

Ro Beaumont
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christa" <nodig at iimetro.com.au>
To: <oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au>,
<matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 22:23:42 +1100

> Hi Jason
> Having lived on solar for a few years now, I am slowly
> learning the meaning  of the numbers on electric
> appliances! I have just upgraded my system and  now have
> plenty of power. Before I had to work out which appliances
> caused  too much drain on the system and which ones
> required the use of the  generator to supplement the
> system.
> 
> When purchasing appliances look for ones with lower watts
> for example my old  TV uses 85W whilst some new TVs and
> sound systems use 2500W - twice as much  as my vaccuum
> cleaner which needed the gennie! New light bulbs use less
> than  15W whereas the older ones were 100W. Radios are
> cool! They only use 5 -  15W!  Toasters, electric kettles
> and electric frypans or anything with a  heating element
> use over 1200W. These appliances and others like
> microwaves,  hairdryers, heaters are all considered
> 'luxury' appliances to those of us on  solar!
> 
> There are some books on solar power that help you work out
> your average  power use (basically to determine the size
> of  a system you may require). If  you use that method you
> can work out your usage and quickly learn where you  are
> using the power and probably adopt methods for saving
> power. Apparently  power stations have to produce more
> power than is required to allow for  unexpected useage and
> some of this power is lost as friction on the lines on 
> the way to your homes. AND its becoming more expensive (so
> I am told!) Hope  the above info helps? It an alternative
> to those 'gadgets'!
> 
> Good luck and congratulations for being another peson
> willing to help reduce  the worlds greenhouse gas
> emissions. Christa.
> (Cobargo NSW)
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jason S" <oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au>
> To: <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
> Cc: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
> 
> 
> G'day Mattew and TT Crew,
> 
> Reducing our needs make them easier to meet.
> 
> One thing I think would really help from a CEFE point of
> veiw is for the  public to have easy access to those
> gadgets that you can plug your  appliances in to that give
> you a reading of how much electricity you are  using. It
> would really help people learn how much electricity they
> are using  when they turn stuff on. You could do your own
> energy audit that way, reduce  useage and save some
> dollars. Promoting awareness and responsibility.
> 
> Wouldn't it be good if you could go and borrow one of
> these out at the local  library.
> 
> Jason
> 
> 
> --- On Tue, 16/9/08, Matthew Nott
> <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> 
> > From: Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
> > Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
> > To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> > Received: Tuesday, 16 September, 2008, 4:02 PM
> > Well done to all those that have worked so hard to make
> > TT such an exciting concept. It seems to be getting a
> > lot of people fired up, and is a great way of bringing
> > the many sustainability groups together.
> > From a cefe point of view, the establishment of TT's is
> > terrific, as it allows us to be more focussed in what we
> > are doing. What I want cefe to be able to focus on is;
> > -1 turning LifeSaving Energy into a national campaign.
> > It is on the verge of going national, and I am hoping
> > that it well help draw attention to the many good things
> > that have been going on in SE NSW.
> > -2 community owned solar farms. Creating a replicable
> > model for community owned power stations, that can then
> > be exported right across the region, giving us a solid
> > platform for meeting 50/50 by 2020
> > -3 Setting up Bega town to be suplied by 100% home grown
> > renewablwe energy, using a community owned solar farm, a
> > wind farm, and hopefully some biogas. I reckon we can
> > get there within 5 years. To that end, we are planning a
> > public meeting at Bega RSL on 5/11, and I am keen to get
> > a good turnout there, to put pressure on Mike Kelly. If
> > you think a 100% renewable target for Bega is too
> > ambitious, come to the meeting and we will try and
> convince you otherwise. >
> > We are holding a similar meeting in Berridale on 6/11
> > where Cooma cefe will present the findings of the 50/50
> > by 2020 working group. We may be able to start putting
> > pressure on the Comma council to adopt 50/50x2020.
> >
> > CEFE seems to fit under the umbrella of TT's very
> > nicely.
> >
> >
> >       Make the switch to the world's best email.
> > Get Yahoo!7 Mail!
> >
>
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> >
>
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From matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au  Fri Nov  7 18:39:25 2008
From: matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au (Matthew Nott)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2008 23:39:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
In-Reply-To: <6FC98FC38ADA4AAB8906505A9358BFFF@PC273816962318>
Message-ID: <812713.51393.qm@web38504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jason,
your idea of a smart meter on loan from the library is the best idea I've heard all week. I reckon the council might help with something like that. I'll work on it. What do you reckon Mark?
Matthew

--- On Wed, 5/11/08, Christa <nodig at iimetro.com.au> wrote:
From: Christa <nodig at iimetro.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
To: oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au, matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au
Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
Received: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008, 10:23 PM

Hi Jason
Having lived on solar for a few years now, I am slowly learning the meaning of
the numbers on electric appliances! I have just upgraded my system and now have
plenty of power. Before I had to work out which appliances caused too much drain
on the system and which ones required the use of the generator to supplement the
system.

When purchasing appliances look for ones with lower watts for example my old TV
uses 85W whilst some new TVs and sound systems use 2500W - twice as much as my
vaccuum cleaner which needed the gennie! New light bulbs use less than 15W
whereas the older ones were 100W. Radios are cool! They only use 5 - 15W! 
Toasters, electric kettles and electric frypans or anything with a heating
element use over 1200W. These appliances and others like microwaves, hairdryers,
heaters are all considered 'luxury' appliances to those of us on solar!

There are some books on solar power that help you work out your average power
use (basically to determine the size of  a system you may require). If you use
that method you can work out your usage and quickly learn where you are using
the power and probably adopt methods for saving power. Apparently power stations
have to produce more power than is required to allow for unexpected useage and
some of this power is lost as friction on the lines on the way to your homes.
AND its becoming more expensive (so I am told!) Hope the above info helps? It an
alternative to those 'gadgets'!

Good luck and congratulations for being another peson willing to help reduce
the worlds greenhouse gas emissions.
Christa.
(Cobargo NSW)


----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason S"
<oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au>
To: <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
Cc: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity


G'day Mattew and TT Crew,

Reducing our needs make them easier to meet.

One thing I think would really help from a CEFE point of veiw is for the public
to have easy access to those gadgets that you can plug your appliances in to
that give you a reading of how much electricity you are using. It would really
help people learn how much electricity they are using when they turn stuff on.
You could do your own energy audit that way, reduce useage and save some
dollars. Promoting awareness and responsibility.

Wouldn't it be good if you could go and borrow one of these out at the
local library.

Jason


--- On Tue, 16/9/08, Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> From: Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
> Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
> To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> Received: Tuesday, 16 September, 2008, 4:02 PM
> Well done to all those that have worked so hard to make TT
> such an exciting concept. It seems to be getting a lot of
> people fired up, and is a great way of bringing the many
> sustainability groups together.
> From a cefe point of view, the establishment of TT's is
> terrific, as it allows us to be more focussed in what we are
> doing. What I want cefe to be able to focus on is;
> -1 turning LifeSaving Energy into a national campaign. It
> is on the verge of going national, and I am hoping that it
> well help draw attention to the many good things that have
> been going on in SE NSW.
> -2 community owned solar farms. Creating a replicable model
> for community owned power stations, that can then be
> exported right across the region, giving us a solid platform
> for meeting 50/50 by 2020
> -3 Setting up Bega town to be suplied by 100% home grown
> renewablwe energy, using a community owned solar farm, a
> wind farm, and hopefully some biogas. I reckon we can get
> there within 5 years. To that end, we are planning a public
> meeting at Bega RSL on 5/11, and I am keen to get a good
> turnout there, to put pressure on Mike Kelly. If you think a
> 100% renewable target for Bega is too ambitious, come to the
> meeting and we will try and convince you otherwise.
> 
> We are holding a similar meeting in Berridale on 6/11 where
> Cooma cefe will present the findings of the 50/50 by 2020
> working group. We may be able to start putting pressure on
> the Comma council to adopt 50/50x2020.
> 
> CEFE seems to fit under the umbrella of TT's very
> nicely.
> 
> 
>       Make the switch to the world&#39;s best email.
> Get Yahoo!7 Mail!
> http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail_______________________________________________
> Transitiontown mailing list
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From jdb at guru.com.au  Fri Nov  7 19:35:09 2008
From: jdb at guru.com.au (John Barlow)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:35:09 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
In-Reply-To: <812713.51393.qm@web38504.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Being worked on right now, more news soon, 10 "kill-a-watt" style units 
should be available,  John Barlow


Matthew Nott wrote:
> Hi Jason,
> your idea of a smart meter on loan from the library is the best idea 
> I've heard all week. I reckon the council might help with something 
> like that. I'll work on it. What do you reckon Mark?
> Matthew
>
> --- On *Wed, 5/11/08, Christa /<nodig at iimetro.com.au>/* wrote:
>
>     From: Christa <nodig at iimetro.com.au>
>     Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
>     To: oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au, matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au
>     Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>     Received: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008, 10:23 PM
>
>     Hi Jason
>     Having lived on solar for a few years now, I am slowly learning the meaning of
>     the numbers on electric appliances! I have just upgraded my system and now have
>     plenty of
>      power. Before I had to work out which appliances caused too much drain
>     on the system and which ones required the use of the generator to supplement the
>     system.
>
>     When purchasing appliances look for ones with lower watts for example my old TV
>     uses 85W whilst some new TVs and sound systems use 2500W - twice as much as my
>     vaccuum cleaner which needed the gennie! New light bulbs use less than 15W
>     whereas the older ones were 100W. Radios are cool! They only use 5 - 15W! 
>     Toasters, electric kettles and electric frypans or anything with a heating
>     element use over 1200W. These appliances and others like microwaves, hairdryers,
>     heaters are all considered 'luxury' appliances to those of us on solar!
>
>     There are some books on solar power that help you work out your average power
>     use (basically to determine the size of  a system you may require). If you use
>     that method you can work out your usage and quickly learn where you
>      are using
>     the power and probably adopt methods for saving power. Apparently power stations
>     have to produce more power than is required to allow for unexpected useage and
>     some of this power is lost as friction on the lines on the way to your homes.
>     AND its becoming more expensive (so I am told!) Hope the above info helps? It an
>     alternative to those 'gadgets'!
>
>     Good luck and congratulations for being another peson willing to help reduce
>     the worlds greenhouse gas emissions.
>     Christa.
>     (Cobargo NSW)
>
>
>     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason S"
>     <oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au>
>     To: <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
>     Cc: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>     Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:58 PM
>     Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
>
>
>     G'day Mattew and TT Crew,
>
>     Reducing our needs make them easier to meet.
>
>     One thing I think would really help from
>      a CEFE point of veiw is for the public
>     to have easy access to those gadgets that you can plug your appliances in to
>     that give you a reading of how much electricity you are using. It would really
>     help people learn how much electricity they are using when they turn stuff on.
>     You could do your own energy audit that way, reduce useage and save some
>     dollars. Promoting awareness and responsibility.
>
>     Wouldn't it be good if you could go and borrow one of these out at the
>     local library.
>
>     Jason
>
>
>     --- On Tue, 16/9/08, Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>     > From: Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
>     > Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
>     > To: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>     > Received: Tuesday, 16 September, 2008, 4:02 PM
>     > Well done to all those that have worked so hard to make TT
>     > such an exciting concept. It seems to be
>      getting a lot of
>     > people fired up, and is a great way of bringing the many
>     > sustainability groups together.
>     > From a cefe point of view, the establishment of TT's is
>     > terrific, as it allows us to be more focussed in what we are
>     > doing. What I want cefe to be able to focus on is;
>     > -1 turning LifeSaving Energy into a national campaign. It
>     > is on the verge of going national, and I am hoping that it
>     > well help draw attention to the many good things that have
>     > been going on in SE NSW.
>     > -2 community owned solar farms. Creating a replicable model
>     > for community owned power stations, that can then be
>     > exported right across the region, giving us a solid platform
>     > for meeting 50/50 by 2020
>     > -3 Setting up Bega town to be suplied by 100% home grown
>     > renewablwe energy, using a community owned solar farm, a
>     > wind farm, and hopefully some biogas. I reckon we
>      can get
>     > there within 5 years. To that end, we are planning a public
>     > meeting at Bega RSL on 5/11, and I am keen to get a good
>     > turnout there, to put pressure on Mike Kelly. If you think a
>     > 100% renewable target for Bega is too ambitious, come to the
>     > meeting and we will try and convince you otherwise.
>     > 
>     > We are holding a similar meeting in Berridale on 6/11 where
>     > Cooma cefe will present the findings of the 50/50 by 2020
>     > working group. We may be able to start putting pressure on
>     > the Comma council to adopt 50/50x2020.
>     > 
>     > CEFE seems to fit under the umbrella of TT's very
>     > nicely.
>     > 
>     > 
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From robeau at acr.net.au  Sun Nov  9 11:40:10 2008
From: robeau at acr.net.au (robeau at acr.net.au)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 10:40:10 +1000
Subject: [Transitiontown] Electritity measuring gadgets in Tathra
Message-ID: <4916316a.175.37fe.733198843@netspeed.com.au>

Hi Jason et al

You can buy those power monitors for measuring the energy
usage of individual appliances from Michael Wood at Tathra -
he is green electrician extrordinaire and has a fund of
knowledge and resource information. His number is 6494 1401.
They cost $50.

Regards

Ro Beaumont



----- Original Message -----
From: John Barlow <jdb at guru.com.au>
To: matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au
Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au, mark
<mcanaider at begavalley.nsw.gov.au>
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:35:09 +1100

> Being worked on right now, more news soon, 10
> "kill-a-watt" style units  should be available,  John
> Barlow
> 
> 
> Matthew Nott wrote:
> > Hi Jason,
> > your idea of a smart meter on loan from the library is
> > the best idea  I've heard all week. I reckon the council
> > might help with something  like that. I'll work on it.
> > What do you reckon Mark? Matthew
> >
> > --- On *Wed, 5/11/08, Christa /<nodig at iimetro.com.au>/*
> wrote: >
> >     From: Christa <nodig at iimetro.com.au>
> >     Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For
> >     Eternity To: oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au,
> >     matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au Cc:
> >     transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> Received: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008, 10:23 PM >
> >     Hi Jason
> >     Having lived on solar for a few years now, I am
> >     slowly learning the meaning of the numbers on
> electric appliances! I have just upgraded my system and
> >     now have plenty of
> >      power. Before I had to work out which appliances
> >     caused too much drain on the system and which ones
> >     required the use of the generator to supplement the
> system. >
> >     When purchasing appliances look for ones with lower
> >     watts for example my old TV uses 85W whilst some new
> >     TVs and sound systems use 2500W - twice as much as
> my vaccuum cleaner which needed the gennie! New light
> >     bulbs use less than 15W whereas the older ones were
> >     100W. Radios are cool! They only use 5 - 15W! 
> Toasters, electric kettles and electric frypans or
> >     anything with a heating element use over 1200W.
> >     These appliances and others like microwaves,
> hairdryers, heaters are all considered 'luxury' appliances
> to those of us on solar! >
> >     There are some books on solar power that help you
> >     work out your average power use (basically to
> determine the size of  a system you may require). If you
> >     use that method you can work out your usage and
> >      quickly learn where you are using
> >     the power and probably adopt methods for saving
> >     power. Apparently power stations have to produce
> more power than is required to allow for unexpected useage
> >     and some of this power is lost as friction on the
> >     lines on the way to your homes. AND its becoming
> more expensive (so I am told!) Hope the above info helps?
> >     It an alternative to those 'gadgets'!
> >
> >     Good luck and congratulations for being another
> >     peson willing to help reduce the worlds greenhouse
> >     gas emissions. Christa.
> >     (Cobargo NSW)
> >
> >
> >     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason S"
> >     <oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au>
> >     To: <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
> >     Cc: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
> >     Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:58 PM
> >     Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For
> Eternity >
> >
> >     G'day Mattew and TT Crew,
> >
> >     Reducing our needs make them easier to meet.
> >
> >     One thing I think would really help from
> >      a CEFE point of veiw is for the public
> >     to have easy access to those gadgets that you can
> >     plug your appliances in to that give you a reading
> >     of how much electricity you are using. It would
> really help people learn how much electricity they are
> >     using when they turn stuff on. You could do your own
> >     energy audit that way, reduce useage and save some
> dollars. Promoting awareness and responsibility. >
> >     Wouldn't it be good if you could go and borrow one
> >     of these out at the local library.
> >
> >     Jason
> >
> >
> >     --- On Tue, 16/9/08, Matthew Nott
> <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au> wrote: >
> >     > From: Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
> >     > Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For
> >     > Eternity To:
> >     > transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >     > Received: Tuesday, 16 September, 2008, 4:02 PM
> >     > Well done to all those that have worked so hard to
> >      make TT such an exciting concept. It seems to be
> >     > getting a lot of people fired up, and is a great
> >     > way of bringing the many sustainability groups
> >     > together. From a cefe point of view, the
> >     > establishment of TT's is terrific, as it allows us
> >     > to be more focussed in what we are doing. What I
> >     > want cefe to be able to focus on is; -1 turning
> >     > LifeSaving Energy into a national campaign. It is
> >     > on the verge of going national, and I am hoping
> that it well help draw attention to the many good things
> >     > that have been going on in SE NSW.
> >     > -2 community owned solar farms. Creating a
> >     > replicable model for community owned power
> >     > stations, that can then be exported right across
> >     > the region, giving us a solid platform for meeting
> >     > 50/50 by 2020 -3 Setting up Bega town to be
> >     > suplied by 100% home grown renewablwe energy,
> >     > using a community owned solar farm, a wind farm,
> >      and hopefully some biogas. I reckon we can get
> >     > there within 5 years. To that end, we are planning
> >     > a public meeting at Bega RSL on 5/11, and I am
> >     > keen to get a good turnout there, to put pressure
> >     > on Mike Kelly. If you think a 100% renewable
> >     > target for Bega is too ambitious, come to the
> >     > meeting and we will try and convince you
> >     > otherwise.  We are holding a similar meeting in
> >     > Berridale on 6/11 where Cooma cefe will present
> >     > the findings of the 50/50 by 2020 working group.
> >     > We may be able to start putting pressure on the
> >     > Comma council to adopt 50/50x2020. 
> >     > CEFE seems to fit under the umbrella of TT's very
> >     > nicely.
> >     > 
> >     > 
> >     >       Make the switch to the world's best
> >     > email. Get Yahoo!7 Mail!
> >     >
>
http://au.yahoo.com/y7mail_______________________________________________
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> >     >
> >      Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
> >     >
> >    
>
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> >
> >
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> >     at the new Yahoo!7 Dating. Get Started
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From info at adobewebs.com  Sun Nov  9 11:48:02 2008
From: info at adobewebs.com (ADOBE WEBSITE DESIGNS)
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2008 11:48:02 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Article from Time Magazine on the ecology of
	flush	toilets
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From geoffrey at austcom.org.au  Mon Nov 10 17:45:50 2008
From: geoffrey at austcom.org.au (Geoffrey Grigg)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 17:45:50 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Transition Bermagui this week and ...
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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Wed Nov 12 05:33:52 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:33:52 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Sunshine Coast visit.
Message-ID: <4919D010.8010708@bigpond.net.au>


Hello everyone,

Wow! what an eventful 6 months we have had with South East Transition 
Towns.This list has names on it from Cann River in the south, Batemans 
Bay to our north and Cooma out west. We have got the ball rolling in 
many parts but as most of you will be aware, there is much to do in 2009.

A word of caution coming from the originator of TTs Rob Hopkins recently 
is to......'Go Slow'. The second stage of 'Awareness Setting' is 
critical and the more time spent on this, the better the outcome of your 
Energy Descent Action Plan. We need to engage the whole community, not 
just the converted and this takes time.

I'll be catching up with Janet Millington and Sonya Wallace on the 
Sunshine Coast next week who were Australia's first TTs. Is there 
anything anyone would like me to ask them?

kind regards
John.

From info at adobewebs.com  Wed Nov 12 09:22:44 2008
From: info at adobewebs.com (ADOBE WEBSITE DESIGNS)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 09:22:44 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about green
 marketing in times of economic turbulence]
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From gandjnelson at acr.net.au  Wed Nov 12 14:46:42 2008
From: gandjnelson at acr.net.au (Graeme)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:46:42 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about green
	marketing in times of economic turbulence]
In-Reply-To: <491A05B4.1030603@adobewebs.com>
Message-ID: <000001c94479$47667b80$0201a8c0@homezrc8urtv3r>

"Recessions can be uncertain and unpredictable but they always come to an
end"

 

"Tough economic times create markets where the short term growth lags behind
the long term growth trend"

 

I think it is worthwhile challenging a couple of the assumptions in the
first point of the Gmagazine article.  I do not wish to downplay the
importance of promoting sustainable products, but I think that it need to be
considered that the above sentences rely on economic orthodoxy that does not
recognise that there are any limits to growth.  The statements are
undoubtedly correct with regard to the last couple of hundred years or so, a
period of time with increasing reliance on fossil fuels, but are they
correct for the next century and more?

 

I am no economist, but it seems to me that energy growth and economic growth
as currently defined are inextricably entwined.  It follows then that if we
believe that Peak Oil and a future involving Energy Descent are inevitable,
then there will come a point when long term economic growth will be
negative.  This is not to say that the looming global recession will not be
followed by a period of growth.  Growth in green and sustainable product
industries in particular is likely to occur.  The time may come, however,
when a period of growth is a short term phenomenon which lags behind the
long term contraction trend.

 

Some questions to consider:

 

-          Can long term economic growth occur in the presence of a decrease
in total energy available to the community?

-          Can long term economic growth occur when there is a dramatic
reduction in use of fossil fuels, by substituting other energy sources?

-          If long term economic growth can occur in spite of Peak Oil and
reaching the limits of other resources, is there any point in the Transition
Towns movement?

-          When will we see a new economic paradigm that takes into account
limits to growth, limits to the planet's resources and limits to the
planet's capacity to cope with growth?

 

Graeme Nelson

 

 

 

  _____  

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An interesting article on taking advantage of the increasing awareness of
environmental products and how it relates to the looming recession.

Regards
Kym Mogridge

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From: brooksjd at optusnet.com.au (Joan Brooks)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:42:32 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Wednesday
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Please remove my address from your records . . . 
I am being blasted by too many opinions . . .
Thank you
Joan Brooks
brooksjd at optusnet.com.au
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From nodig at iimetro.com.au  Wed Nov 12 17:59:19 2008
From: nodig at iimetro.com.au (Christa)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:59:19 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Electritity measuring gadgets in Tathra
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Re - those power monitors.
Matthew Notts and Jasons idea of being able to borrow a monitor is a good 
one. The point I was trying to get across was that -  Does everyone need 
another gadget that uses energy to produce and will end up in landfill 
anyway ?(REDUCE). It is just as easy to do some mathematics (RE-USE 
braincells!) and RECYCLE a bit of paper to do the calculations. (and yes 
Michael is a good electrician and I am not trying to do him out of 
business!)  I think we shouldn't lose site of what we want to achieve and 
getting right back to basics is a good start.
Christa



----- Original Message ----- 
From: <robeau at acr.net.au>
To: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2008 11:40 AM
Subject: [Transitiontown] Electritity measuring gadgets in Tathra


> Hi Jason et al
>
> You can buy those power monitors for measuring the energy
> usage of individual appliances from Michael Wood at Tathra -
> he is green electrician extrordinaire and has a fund of
> knowledge and resource information. His number is 6494 1401.
> They cost $50.
>
> Regards
>
> Ro Beaumont
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Barlow <jdb at guru.com.au>
> To: matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au
> Cc: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au, mark
> <mcanaider at begavalley.nsw.gov.au>
> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For Eternity
> Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2008 19:35:09 +1100
>
>> Being worked on right now, more news soon, 10
>> "kill-a-watt" style units  should be available,  John
>> Barlow
>>
>>
>> Matthew Nott wrote:
>> > Hi Jason,
>> > your idea of a smart meter on loan from the library is
>> > the best idea  I've heard all week. I reckon the council
>> > might help with something  like that. I'll work on it.
>> > What do you reckon Mark? Matthew
>> >
>> > --- On *Wed, 5/11/08, Christa /<nodig at iimetro.com.au>/*
>> wrote: >
>> >     From: Christa <nodig at iimetro.com.au>
>> >     Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For
>> >     Eternity To: oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au,
>> >     matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au Cc:
>> >     transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> Received: Wednesday, 5 November, 2008, 10:23 PM >
>> >     Hi Jason
>> >     Having lived on solar for a few years now, I am
>> >     slowly learning the meaning of the numbers on
>> electric appliances! I have just upgraded my system and
>> >     now have plenty of
>> >      power. Before I had to work out which appliances
>> >     caused too much drain on the system and which ones
>> >     required the use of the generator to supplement the
>> system. >
>> >     When purchasing appliances look for ones with lower
>> >     watts for example my old TV uses 85W whilst some new
>> >     TVs and sound systems use 2500W - twice as much as
>> my vaccuum cleaner which needed the gennie! New light
>> >     bulbs use less than 15W whereas the older ones were
>> >     100W. Radios are cool! They only use 5 - 15W!
>> Toasters, electric kettles and electric frypans or
>> >     anything with a heating element use over 1200W.
>> >     These appliances and others like microwaves,
>> hairdryers, heaters are all considered 'luxury' appliances
>> to those of us on solar! >
>> >     There are some books on solar power that help you
>> >     work out your average power use (basically to
>> determine the size of  a system you may require). If you
>> >     use that method you can work out your usage and
>> >      quickly learn where you are using
>> >     the power and probably adopt methods for saving
>> >     power. Apparently power stations have to produce
>> more power than is required to allow for unexpected useage
>> >     and some of this power is lost as friction on the
>> >     lines on the way to your homes. AND its becoming
>> more expensive (so I am told!) Hope the above info helps?
>> >     It an alternative to those 'gadgets'!
>> >
>> >     Good luck and congratulations for being another
>> >     peson willing to help reduce the worlds greenhouse
>> >     gas emissions. Christa.
>> >     (Cobargo NSW)
>> >
>> >
>> >     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason S"
>> >     <oldmansaltbush at yahoo.com.au>
>> >     To: <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
>> >     Cc: <transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au>
>> >     Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2008 9:58 PM
>> >     Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For
>> Eternity >
>> >
>> >     G'day Mattew and TT Crew,
>> >
>> >     Reducing our needs make them easier to meet.
>> >
>> >     One thing I think would really help from
>> >      a CEFE point of veiw is for the public
>> >     to have easy access to those gadgets that you can
>> >     plug your appliances in to that give you a reading
>> >     of how much electricity you are using. It would
>> really help people learn how much electricity they are
>> >     using when they turn stuff on. You could do your own
>> >     energy audit that way, reduce useage and save some
>> dollars. Promoting awareness and responsibility. >
>> >     Wouldn't it be good if you could go and borrow one
>> >     of these out at the local library.
>> >
>> >     Jason
>> >
>> >
>> >     --- On Tue, 16/9/08, Matthew Nott
>> <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au> wrote: >
>> >     > From: Matthew Nott <matthewnottortho at yahoo.com.au>
>> >     > Subject: [Transitiontown] Clean Energy For
>> >     > Eternity To:
>> >     > transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au
>> >     > Received: Tuesday, 16 September, 2008, 4:02 PM
>> >     > Well done to all those that have worked so hard to
>> >      make TT such an exciting concept. It seems to be
>> >     > getting a lot of people fired up, and is a great
>> >     > way of bringing the many sustainability groups
>> >     > together. From a cefe point of view, the
>> >     > establishment of TT's is terrific, as it allows us
>> >     > to be more focussed in what we are doing. What I
>> >     > want cefe to be able to focus on is; -1 turning
>> >     > LifeSaving Energy into a national campaign. It is
>> >     > on the verge of going national, and I am hoping
>> that it well help draw attention to the many good things
>> >     > that have been going on in SE NSW.
>> >     > -2 community owned solar farms. Creating a
>> >     > replicable model for community owned power
>> >     > stations, that can then be exported right across
>> >     > the region, giving us a solid platform for meeting
>> >     > 50/50 by 2020 -3 Setting up Bega town to be
>> >     > suplied by 100% home grown renewablwe energy,
>> >     > using a community owned solar farm, a wind farm,
>> >      and hopefully some biogas. I reckon we can get
>> >     > there within 5 years. To that end, we are planning
>> >     > a public meeting at Bega RSL on 5/11, and I am
>> >     > keen to get a good turnout there, to put pressure
>> >     > on Mike Kelly. If you think a 100% renewable
>> >     > target for Bega is too ambitious, come to the
>> >     > meeting and we will try and convince you
>> >     > otherwise.  We are holding a similar meeting in
>> >     > Berridale on 6/11 where Cooma cefe will present
>> >     > the findings of the 50/50 by 2020 working group.
>> >     > We may be able to start putting pressure on the
>> >     > Comma council to adopt 50/50x2020.
>> >     > CEFE seems to fit under the umbrella of TT's very
>> >     > nicely.
>> >     >
>> >     >
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From nadgeekayaks at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 18:10:30 2008
From: nadgeekayaks at gmail.com (Lawrence Geoghegan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 18:10:30 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Wednesday
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Yeah could I get my address removed as well please too many emails clogging
up the box

On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 3:42 PM, Joan Brooks <brooksjd at optusnet.com.au>wrote:

>  Please remove my address from your records . . .
> I am being blasted by too many opinions . . .
> Thank you
> Joan Brooks
> brooksjd at optusnet.com.au
>
>
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From marghamon2 at bigpond.com  Wed Nov 12 19:56:03 2008
From: marghamon2 at bigpond.com (Margaret Hamon)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2008 19:56:03 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] unsubscribe
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I would like you to remove me from your mailing list please as I am being
deluged with emails,

Margaret Hamon

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From Lensvision at ozemail.com.au  Thu Nov 13 00:51:46 2008
From: Lensvision at ozemail.com.au (Len Glasser)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 00:51:46 +1100
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Yes Transition towns is a great idea and movement.

The volume of email is  not.  Perhaps a better place for all the  
dialogue in the emails would be a web site / log....

Please keep me informed with a periodic, short newsletter, or  
something similar.

But NOT endless emails.

Cheers

Len



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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Thu Nov 13 05:42:51 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 05:42:51 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about
 green	marketing in times of economic turbulence]
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Message-ID: <491B23AB.5050403@bigpond.net.au>

Thanks Graeme,

Good points you make here about the relationship between economic growth 
and energy descent.I'm convinced this is where governments are stuck in 
that they are aware of Peak Oil yet live in the only economic structure 
they are aware of, the growth economy and its interpretation of capitalism.

Looking back in history for a moment,following the Industrial Revolution 
two paradigms were born.....
communism and capitalism.Communism fell over largely with the collapse 
of the Soviet Union and I'm convinced we are currently seeing the slow 
death of the other. So whats next? I don't have a name but some thoughts.

Embedded in capitalism is democracy with one of its cornerstones being 
'one man - one vote'. The next paradigm needs to embrace collectivism 
and sometimes is referred to as sociocracy. Consensus decision making is 
the cornerstone of this and values the whole rather than its many parts.

To quote the lady from Earthhaven Eco-Village in 'The Power Of 
Community' - ' We can all grow fruit trees, put water saving devices on 
our roofs...its not that....its how we make the connections with other 
people that is our challenge when facing Peak Oil'.

So the big question remains, are we capable on a global scale to move 
toward this way of thinking? Climate Change, Peak Oil and economic 
callapse certainly gives us a powerful incentive to at least put it in 
the basket of options on the table.

kind regards
John

Graeme wrote:
>
> ?Recessions can be uncertain and unpredictable but they always come to 
> an end?
>
> ?Tough economic times create markets where the short term growth lags 
> behind the long term growth trend?
>
> I think it is worthwhile challenging a couple of the assumptions in 
> the first point of the Gmagazine article. I do not wish to downplay 
> the importance of promoting sustainable products, but I think that it 
> need to be considered that the above sentences rely on economic 
> orthodoxy that does not recognise that there are any limits to growth. 
> The statements are undoubtedly correct with regard to the last couple 
> of hundred years or so, a period of time with increasing reliance on 
> fossil fuels, but are they correct for the next century and more?
>
> I am no economist, but it seems to me that energy growth and economic 
> growth as currently defined are inextricably entwined. It follows then 
> that if we believe that Peak Oil and a future involving Energy Descent 
> are inevitable, then there will come a point when long term economic 
> growth will be negative. This is not to say that the looming global 
> recession will not be followed by a period of growth. Growth in green 
> and sustainable product industries in particular is likely to occur. 
> The time may come, however, when a period of growth is a short term 
> phenomenon which lags behind the long term contraction trend.
>
> Some questions to consider:
>
> - Can long term economic growth occur in the presence of a decrease in 
> total energy available to the community?
>
> - Can long term economic growth occur when there is a dramatic 
> reduction in use of fossil fuels, by substituting other energy sources?
>
> - If long term economic growth can occur in spite of Peak Oil and 
> reaching the limits of other resources, is there any point in the 
> Transition Towns movement?
>
> - When will we see a new economic paradigm that takes into account 
> limits to growth, limits to the planet?s resources and limits to the 
> planet?s capacity to cope with growth?
>
> Graeme Nelson
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *From:* transitiontown-bounces at australiancommunities.org.au 
> [mailto:transitiontown-bounces at australiancommunities.org.au] *On 
> Behalf Of *ADOBE WEBSITE DESIGNS
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 November 2008 9:23 AM
> *To:* Transition Towns
> *Subject:* [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about green 
> marketing in times of economic turbulence]
>
> An interesting article on taking advantage of the increasing awareness 
> of environmental products and how it relates to the looming recession.
>
> Regards
> Kym Mogridge
>
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>
>
>
> *5 Things you should know about green marketing in times of economic 
> turbulence *
>
> With the world?s economy in the grip of a financial crisis, it can be 
> tempting to slash marketing budgets ? but now is the time to snatch 
> the market share that can be rightfully yours.
>
> It takes tough times for consumers to re-evaluate how they consume, 
> making this economic storm an opportunity for the environment and 
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>
> In hard times, people change how they consume and make new decisions 
> about their loyalties ? could this be the opportunity the green 
> movement has been waiting for to take its message to more people?
>
> We know that thinking sustainably makes sense and perhaps more 
> consumers will realise this as they re-think how much money is in 
> their wallet and the value they get out of spending it. After all, 
> with rising energy costs it makes perfect sense to spend on insulation 
> or solar panels if it will save you money in the future.
>
> This is a time for green brands to build trust by engaging emotionally 
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> replace the shopping highs they once relied upon for frivolous fun 
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>
> The old world of green and sustainability perpetuated a myth that 
> being an environmentally conscious consumer was somehow expensive and 
> difficult. With so many wonderful businesses innovating and evolving 
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> sing our industry?s praises and get the message out the green is not 
> only good, it?s great!
>
> *Here are five things to know about marketing and advertising 
> sustainably during tough times: *
>
>    1. Recessions: an opportunity and a challenge Recessions can be
>       uncertain and unpredictable but they always come to an end.
>       Brands continue to retain their value during difficult times
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>       competitors brands are tightening their belts, a recession can
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>    2. Spend 48% more now for double the market share A moderate
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>
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From jennyspinks at acr.net.au  Thu Nov 13 08:26:10 2008
From: jennyspinks at acr.net.au (Jenny Spinks)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 08:26:10 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about
 green	marketing in times of economic turbulence]
In-Reply-To: <491B23AB.5050403@bigpond.net.au>
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	<491B23AB.5050403@bigpond.net.au>
Message-ID: <1226525213_422365@mailstor.netspeed.com.au>

Very well put, John.

Thank you.

If anyone wants info on sociocracy let me know and I can forward it to you.

love, Jenny

At 05:42 AM 13-11-08, Champagne wrote:

>Thanks Graeme,
>
>Good points you make here about the relationship between economic growth
>and energy descent.I'm convinced this is where governments are stuck in
>that they are aware of Peak Oil yet live in the only economic structure
>they are aware of, the growth economy and its interpretation of capitalism.
>
>Looking back in history for a moment,following the Industrial Revolution
>two paradigms were born.....
>communism and capitalism.Communism fell over largely with the collapse
>of the Soviet Union and I'm convinced we are currently seeing the slow
>death of the other. So whats next? I don't have a name but some thoughts.
>
>Embedded in capitalism is democracy with one of its cornerstones being
>'one man - one vote'. The next paradigm needs to embrace collectivism
>and sometimes is referred to as sociocracy. Consensus decision making is
>the cornerstone of this and values the whole rather than its many parts.
>
>To quote the lady from Earthhaven Eco-Village in 'The Power Of
>Community' - ' We can all grow fruit trees, put water saving devices on
>our roofs...its not that....its how we make the connections with other
>people that is our challenge when facing Peak Oil'.
>
>So the big question remains, are we capable on a global scale to move
>toward this way of thinking? Climate Change, Peak Oil and economic
>callapse certainly gives us a powerful incentive to at least put it in
>the basket of options on the table.
>
>kind regards
>John
>
>Graeme wrote:
> >
> > ?Recessions can be uncertain and unpredictable but they always come to
> > an end?
> >
> > ?Tough economic times create markets where the short term growth lags
> > behind the long term growth trend?
> >
> > I think it is worthwhile challenging a couple of the assumptions in
> > the first point of the Gmagazine article. I do not wish to downplay
> > the importance of promoting sustainable products, but I think that it
> > need to be considered that the above sentences rely on economic
> > orthodoxy that does not recognise that there are any limits to growth.
> > The statements are undoubtedly correct with regard to the last couple
> > of hundred years or so, a period of time with increasing reliance on
> > fossil fuels, but are they correct for the next century and more?
> >
> > I am no economist, but it seems to me that energy growth and economic
> > growth as currently defined are inextricably entwined. It follows then
> > that if we believe that Peak Oil and a future involving Energy Descent
> > are inevitable, then there will come a point when long term economic
> > growth will be negative. This is not to say that the looming global
> > recession will not be followed by a period of growth. Growth in green
> > and sustainable product industries in particular is likely to occur.
> > The time may come, however, when a period of growth is a short term
> > phenomenon which lags behind the long term contraction trend.
> >
> > Some questions to consider:
> >
> > - Can long term economic growth occur in the presence of a decrease in
> > total energy available to the community?
> >
> > - Can long term economic growth occur when there is a dramatic
> > reduction in use of fossil fuels, by substituting other energy sources?
> >
> > - If long term economic growth can occur in spite of Peak Oil and
> > reaching the limits of other resources, is there any point in the
> > Transition Towns movement?
> >
> > - When will we see a new economic paradigm that takes into account
> > limits to growth, limits to the planet?s resources and limits to the
> > planet?s capacity to cope with growth?
> >
> > Graeme Nelson
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* transitiontown-bounces at australiancommunities.org.au
> > [mailto:transitiontown-bounces at australiancommunities.org.au] *On
> > Behalf Of *ADOBE WEBSITE DESIGNS
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 November 2008 9:23 AM
> > *To:* Transition Towns
> > *Subject:* [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about green
> > marketing in times of economic turbulence]
> >
> > An interesting article on taking advantage of the increasing awareness
> > of environmental products and how it relates to the looming recession.
> >
> > Regards
> > Kym Mogridge
> >
> > *ADOBE LOOS & WORMS* - /Composting Toilets & Greywater Systems
> > /www.wormsloos.com.au <http://www.wormsloos.com.au>
> > &
> > *ADOBE WEB DESIGNS* /- Down to Earth Web Services for Small Business /
> > www.adobewebs.com <http://www.adobewebs.com>
> > 02 6494 1051 ph & fax
> > 0427 277 249 mobile, sometimes OK for texting, "no service" most of
> > the time, thanks TELSTRA
> > PO Box 751, BEGA NSW 2550
> > Please consider the environment before you print this e-mail message
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Send this email to a friend
> > <http://www.vision6.com.au/ch/16kf24g/120667/0aaaff7n9.html>
> >
> >
> >
> > *5 Things you should know about green marketing in times of economic
> > turbulence *
> >
> > With the world?s economy in the grip of a financial crisis, it can be
> > tempting to slash marketing budgets ? but now is the time to snatch
> > the market share that can be rightfully yours.
> >
> > It takes tough times for consumers to re-evaluate how they consume,
> > making this economic storm an opportunity for the environment and
> > sustainability agenda to reach a wider audience.
> >
> > In hard times, people change how they consume and make new decisions
> > about their loyalties ? could this be the opportunity the green
> > movement has been waiting for to take its message to more people?
> >
> > We know that thinking sustainably makes sense and perhaps more
> > consumers will realise this as they re-think how much money is in
> > their wallet and the value they get out of spending it. After all,
> > with rising energy costs it makes perfect sense to spend on insulation
> > or solar panels if it will save you money in the future.
> >
> > This is a time for green brands to build trust by engaging emotionally
> > and logically with consumers. It makes perfect sense for consumers to
> > replace the shopping highs they once relied upon for frivolous fun
> > with cheaper, earth-friendly feelgood purchases.
> >
> > The old world of green and sustainability perpetuated a myth that
> > being an environmentally conscious consumer was somehow expensive and
> > difficult. With so many wonderful businesses innovating and evolving
> > to create sustainable and beneficial products, it?s now the time to
> > sing our industry?s praises and get the message out the green is not
> > only good, it?s great!
> >
> > *Here are five things to know about marketing and advertising
> > sustainably during tough times: *
> >
> >    1. Recessions: an opportunity and a challenge Recessions can be
> >       uncertain and unpredictable but they always come to an end.
> >       Brands continue to retain their value during difficult times
> >       (even if consumers find it more challenging) and while
> >       competitors brands are tightening their belts, a recession can
> >       be an opportunity for well-managed brands and businesses to
> >       snatch the market share they have been longing for. Tough
> >       economic times create markets where the short term growth lags
> >       behind the long term growth trend
> >    2. Spend 48% more now for double the market share A moderate
> >       increase in advertising spend gains significantly more market
> >       share during a recession than more buoyant times, according to
> >       Options and Opportunities for Consumer Businesses: Advertising
> >       During a Recession by Alexander L Biel and Stephen King.
> >       ?Consumer marketers increasing their spending by an average of
> >       48 per cent win virtually double the share gains of those who
> >       increase their expenditures more modestly,? the book reveals.
> >    3. Consumer values shift The time is ripe for innovation. Consumers
> >       are more willing to adopt new products during recessionary
> >       periods, and companies are often forced to innovate their
> >       offerings. It?s a time to capture the changing mood for your
> >       business?s benefit.
> >    4. Maintain brand equity Tough times mean you need to nurture
> >       brands and businesses while managing costs. This is the time to
> >       exploit your position against your competitors. Holding firm to
> >       a brand strategy can pay significant dividends in the long term.
> >    5. Convey value There is nothing more valuable than our planet.
> >       Green businesses and marketers are doing all of us a great
> >       favour by creating goods and services that will literally make
> >       the world a better place. Don?t forget to tell people about all
> >       your great work.
> >
> > *To discuss cost-effective marketing opportunities with Australia?s
> > most trusted environmental magazine, please contact Krissy Mander
> > <mailto:kristina.mander at lunamedia.com.au> or Tatyana Kovalyov
> > <%20mailto:tatyana.kovalyov at lunamedia.com.au> on 02 9310 8512. *
> >
> > G magazine
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From liz.worth at larkford.com  Thu Nov 13 09:56:39 2008
From: liz.worth at larkford.com (Liz Worth)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:56:39 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about
 green	marketing in times of economic turbulence]
In-Reply-To: <000001c94479$47667b80$0201a8c0@homezrc8urtv3r>
References: <000001c94479$47667b80$0201a8c0@homezrc8urtv3r>
Message-ID: <491B5F27.9040702@larkford.com>


Graeme wrote:
>
> Some questions to consider:
>
>  
>
> -          If long term economic growth can occur in spite of Peak Oil 
> and reaching the limits of other resources, is there any point in the 
> Transition Towns movement?
>
I am an optimist.  I think that humans are endlessly creative and that 
solutions to many Peak Oil issues will be found.  Paint manufacturers 
will change their recipes to not use petroleum products, cosmetics 
companies will do the same.  Plastics will be replaced by products that 
don't contain oil. Transport issues will be solved. Amazing recycling 
will occur etc. etc.

However all this entails change.  Some of the solutions will mean doing 
things differently.

I can envisage a situation where families are struggling with rising 
fuel prices while trying at the same time to save enough to purchase a 
new non-oil based vehicle.  Or perhaps having to change their whole 
transport usage because the new non-oil solution is only available for 
public transport vehicles (and the very rich).

I can also envisage that history could look back on the period and see 
it as no more of a change than the advent of the personal computer (!)  
But history looks at overall trends and not individual responses and 
challenges and emotions and pain.

Sharon Astyk in her book 'Depletion and Abundance' notes that in times 
of stress domestic violence increases.  Until I read that I had not 
really thought about the indirect impacts that Peak Oil could have on 
our community.

Even with my rosy view of the future, which I have to point out is 
definitely not shared by all, and not by many of those who have done a 
lot more research into the subject than I have, I cannot see how we can 
avoid the stress of change.

To me Transition Towns is a way to help ourselves across that stressful 
period.  By taking action and making ourselves, our neighbours and our 
communities more resilient we are insulating ourselves from potential 
shocks and smoothing the path to the future.  It also means that the 
pessimists among us can also sleep at night (as can I) knowing that we 
are doing what we can to prepare for anything the future throws at us.  
And more importantly we are doing it as a community and I know I'm not 
on my own.

Cheers,
Liz



From paulcraw at iinet.net.au  Thu Nov 13 11:27:20 2008
From: paulcraw at iinet.net.au (Paul Crawford)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 11:27:20 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] the coming "age of shortages.""
Message-ID: <5FCA5E507916425E9C612B78DBD6A7C1@ga8vm533mrz>

Hi People
I'm new to this site but  have you read this great short book Possum Living -how to live well without a job and with (almost) no money
www.f4.ca/text/possumliving.htm

"Do you want to get out of the rat race but not drop out? Do you want to 
live a life of leisure without worry or guilt? If your answer is yes, Dolly 
Freed will show you how to live well without a job and without working very 
hard.

After discussing reasons why you should or shouldn't give up your job, 
POSSUM LIVING gives you details about the cheapest ways with the best 
results to buy and maintain your own home, dress well, cope with the law, 
stay healthy, and keep up a middle-class facade--whether you live in the 
city, in the suburbs, or in a small town. In a delightful, straightforward 
style, Dolly Freed explains how to be lazy, proud, miserly, and honest, live 
well, and enjoy leisure. She shares her knowledge of what you do need--your 
own home, for example--and what you don't need--such as doctors, lawyers, 
and insurance. And she has a lot of realistic advice about saving money, as 
well as practical information about

* buying a house cheaply through a foreclosure or back-tax sale

* raising and slaughtering rabbits

* catching and cooking fish and turtles

* distilling your own moonshine

Mainly, however, through her own example, she hopes to inspire you to do 
some independent thinking about how economics affects the course of your 
life now and may do so in the coming "age of shortages.""

Regards Paul
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From roller52- at hotmail.com  Thu Nov 13 19:53:29 2008
From: roller52- at hotmail.com (chris leopardi)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 19:53:29 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about
	green	marketing in times of economic turbulence]
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pleSE UNSUBSCRIBE ME OFFTHE E-MALING LISTchristine> Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 09:56:39 +1100> From: liz.worth at larkford.com> To: gandjnelson at acr.net.au> CC: transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au> Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about green marketing in times of economic turbulence]> > > Graeme wrote:> >> > Some questions to consider:> >> > > >> > - If long term economic growth can occur in spite of Peak Oil > > and reaching the limits of other resources, is there any point in the > > Transition Towns movement?> >> I am an optimist. I think that humans are endlessly creative and that > solutions to many Peak Oil issues will be found. Paint manufacturers > will change their recipes to not use petroleum products, cosmetics > companies will do the same. Plastics will be replaced by products that > don't contain oil. Transport issues will be solved. Amazing recycling > will occur etc. etc.> > However all this entails change. Some of the solutions will mean doing > things differently.> > I can envisage a situation where families are struggling with rising > fuel prices while trying at the same time to save enough to purchase a > new non-oil based vehicle. Or perhaps having to change their whole > transport usage because the new non-oil solution is only available for > public transport vehicles (and the very rich).> > I can also envisage that history could look back on the period and see > it as no more of a change than the advent of the personal computer (!) > But history looks at overall trends and not individual responses and > challenges and emotions and pain.> > Sharon Astyk in her book 'Depletion and Abundance' notes that in times > of stress domestic violence increases. Until I read that I had not > really thought about the indirect impacts that Peak Oil could have on > our community.> > Even with my rosy view of the future, which I have to point out is > definitely not shared by all, and not by many of those who have done a > lot more research into the subject than I have, I cannot see how we can > avoid the stress of change.> > To me Transition Towns is a way to help ourselves across that stressful > period. By taking action and making ourselves, our neighbours and our > communities more resilient we are insulating ourselves from potential > shocks and smoothing the path to the future. It also means that the > pessimists among us can also sleep at night (as can I) knowing that we > are doing what we can to prepare for anything the future throws at us. > And more importantly we are doing it as a community and I know I'm not > on my own.> > Cheers,> Liz> > > _______________________________________________> Transitiontown mailing list> Transitiontown at australiancommunities.org.au> http://lists.australiancommunities.org.au/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/transitiontown
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From hillre at acr.net.au  Thu Nov 13 21:48:08 2008
From: hillre at acr.net.au (Reina Hill)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 21:48:08 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Please unsubscribe
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From judith at cjdalton.id.au  Thu Nov 13 22:59:39 2008
From: judith at cjdalton.id.au (Judith Dalton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2008 22:59:39 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about
	green	marketing in times of economic turbulence]
In-Reply-To: <1226525213_422365@mailstor.netspeed.com.au>
Message-ID: <20081113115939.QXWM3509.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@home030360e126>

Thanks Jenny, John, Graeme

Just responding to the question of a new economic paradigm . . .

Is a major problem for us the fact that economics is defined totally in
anthropocentric terms - ie in terms of what best suits the interests of
humanity?  This is perhaps reflected in outlooks such as 'saving the planet
in the interests of our grandchildren', or 'finding alternative energy
sources so we don't have to change current consumption patterns'?

If you go back to the basis of economics, I think I'm right in saying that
essentially its foundational principles assume 'laws' of human consumption
and assign values to outcomes.  For instance we will buy a good up to the
point where the cost of that good exceeds the value we place on it.  Thus,
when we apply it to environmental issues, we will continue to consume a good
until its value to us is less than its cost.  So we will continue to consume
oil until its cost to us (disastrous global warming) is unacceptable.

Of course, problems of this approach are that we can't agree what the cost
is (eg. those who argue carbon emissions are not contributing significantly
to global warming) as we can't accurately predict what the cost is (how good
is our science in definitively determining the consequences, say, of over
reliance on fossil fuels?).  How helpful is a traditional economics base,
then, if it gives us such inexact tools?

In other words when we use economics as the basic decision-making template
we determine the value of the earth in terms of its value to humanity, and
even in making this determination we employ some very inexact science.

Perhaps we need a decision-making model that assigns an intrinsic value to
the earth that is independent of human assessment.  Perhaps we're seeing the
emergence of this in developments such as having an absolute ban on nuclear
energy.

Put another way, do we need to expand the debate from one of social justice
issues to include eco-justice issues?  Or is this too hard and one that,
politically, is doomed to fail?


Chris Dalton
Phone 02 6496 4707
-----Original Message-----
From: transitiontown-bounces at australiancommunities.org.au
[mailto:transitiontown-bounces at australiancommunities.org.au] On Behalf Of
Jenny Spinks
Sent: Thursday, 13 November 2008 8:26 AM
To: Champagne; Graeme
Cc: 'Transition Towns'
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about green
marketing in times of economic turbulence]

Very well put, John.

Thank you.

If anyone wants info on sociocracy let me know and I can forward it to you.

love, Jenny

At 05:42 AM 13-11-08, Champagne wrote:

>Thanks Graeme,
>
>Good points you make here about the relationship between economic growth
>and energy descent.I'm convinced this is where governments are stuck in
>that they are aware of Peak Oil yet live in the only economic structure
>they are aware of, the growth economy and its interpretation of capitalism.
>
>Looking back in history for a moment,following the Industrial Revolution
>two paradigms were born.....
>communism and capitalism.Communism fell over largely with the collapse
>of the Soviet Union and I'm convinced we are currently seeing the slow
>death of the other. So whats next? I don't have a name but some thoughts.
>
>Embedded in capitalism is democracy with one of its cornerstones being
>'one man - one vote'. The next paradigm needs to embrace collectivism
>and sometimes is referred to as sociocracy. Consensus decision making is
>the cornerstone of this and values the whole rather than its many parts.
>
>To quote the lady from Earthhaven Eco-Village in 'The Power Of
>Community' - ' We can all grow fruit trees, put water saving devices on
>our roofs...its not that....its how we make the connections with other
>people that is our challenge when facing Peak Oil'.
>
>So the big question remains, are we capable on a global scale to move
>toward this way of thinking? Climate Change, Peak Oil and economic
>callapse certainly gives us a powerful incentive to at least put it in
>the basket of options on the table.
>
>kind regards
>John
>
>Graeme wrote:
> >
> > "Recessions can be uncertain and unpredictable but they always come to
> > an end"
> >
> > "Tough economic times create markets where the short term growth lags
> > behind the long term growth trend"
> >
> > I think it is worthwhile challenging a couple of the assumptions in
> > the first point of the Gmagazine article. I do not wish to downplay
> > the importance of promoting sustainable products, but I think that it
> > need to be considered that the above sentences rely on economic
> > orthodoxy that does not recognise that there are any limits to growth.
> > The statements are undoubtedly correct with regard to the last couple
> > of hundred years or so, a period of time with increasing reliance on
> > fossil fuels, but are they correct for the next century and more?
> >
> > I am no economist, but it seems to me that energy growth and economic
> > growth as currently defined are inextricably entwined. It follows then
> > that if we believe that Peak Oil and a future involving Energy Descent
> > are inevitable, then there will come a point when long term economic
> > growth will be negative. This is not to say that the looming global
> > recession will not be followed by a period of growth. Growth in green
> > and sustainable product industries in particular is likely to occur.
> > The time may come, however, when a period of growth is a short term
> > phenomenon which lags behind the long term contraction trend.
> >
> > Some questions to consider:
> >
> > - Can long term economic growth occur in the presence of a decrease in
> > total energy available to the community?
> >
> > - Can long term economic growth occur when there is a dramatic
> > reduction in use of fossil fuels, by substituting other energy sources?
> >
> > - If long term economic growth can occur in spite of Peak Oil and
> > reaching the limits of other resources, is there any point in the
> > Transition Towns movement?
> >
> > - When will we see a new economic paradigm that takes into account
> > limits to growth, limits to the planet's resources and limits to the
> > planet's capacity to cope with growth?
> >
> > Graeme Nelson
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* transitiontown-bounces at australiancommunities.org.au
> > [mailto:transitiontown-bounces at australiancommunities.org.au] *On
> > Behalf Of *ADOBE WEBSITE DESIGNS
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 12 November 2008 9:23 AM
> > *To:* Transition Towns
> > *Subject:* [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about green
> > marketing in times of economic turbulence]
> >
> > An interesting article on taking advantage of the increasing awareness
> > of environmental products and how it relates to the looming recession.
> >
> > Regards
> > Kym Mogridge
> >
> > *ADOBE LOOS & WORMS* - /Composting Toilets & Greywater Systems
> > /www.wormsloos.com.au <http://www.wormsloos.com.au>
> > &
> > *ADOBE WEB DESIGNS* /- Down to Earth Web Services for Small Business /
> > www.adobewebs.com <http://www.adobewebs.com>
> > 02 6494 1051 ph & fax
> > 0427 277 249 mobile, sometimes OK for texting, "no service" most of
> > the time, thanks TELSTRA
> > PO Box 751, BEGA NSW 2550
> > Please consider the environment before you print this e-mail message
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Send this email to a friend
> > <http://www.vision6.com.au/ch/16kf24g/120667/0aaaff7n9.html>
> >
> >
> >
> > *5 Things you should know about green marketing in times of economic
> > turbulence *
> >
> > With the world's economy in the grip of a financial crisis, it can be
> > tempting to slash marketing budgets - but now is the time to snatch
> > the market share that can be rightfully yours.
> >
> > It takes tough times for consumers to re-evaluate how they consume,
> > making this economic storm an opportunity for the environment and
> > sustainability agenda to reach a wider audience.
> >
> > In hard times, people change how they consume and make new decisions
> > about their loyalties - could this be the opportunity the green
> > movement has been waiting for to take its message to more people?
> >
> > We know that thinking sustainably makes sense and perhaps more
> > consumers will realise this as they re-think how much money is in
> > their wallet and the value they get out of spending it. After all,
> > with rising energy costs it makes perfect sense to spend on insulation
> > or solar panels if it will save you money in the future.
> >
> > This is a time for green brands to build trust by engaging emotionally
> > and logically with consumers. It makes perfect sense for consumers to
> > replace the shopping highs they once relied upon for frivolous fun
> > with cheaper, earth-friendly feelgood purchases.
> >
> > The old world of green and sustainability perpetuated a myth that
> > being an environmentally conscious consumer was somehow expensive and
> > difficult. With so many wonderful businesses innovating and evolving
> > to create sustainable and beneficial products, it's now the time to
> > sing our industry's praises and get the message out the green is not
> > only good, it's great!
> >
> > *Here are five things to know about marketing and advertising
> > sustainably during tough times: *
> >
> >    1. Recessions: an opportunity and a challenge Recessions can be
> >       uncertain and unpredictable but they always come to an end.
> >       Brands continue to retain their value during difficult times
> >       (even if consumers find it more challenging) and while
> >       competitors brands are tightening their belts, a recession can
> >       be an opportunity for well-managed brands and businesses to
> >       snatch the market share they have been longing for. Tough
> >       economic times create markets where the short term growth lags
> >       behind the long term growth trend
> >    2. Spend 48% more now for double the market share A moderate
> >       increase in advertising spend gains significantly more market
> >       share during a recession than more buoyant times, according to
> >       Options and Opportunities for Consumer Businesses: Advertising
> >       During a Recession by Alexander L Biel and Stephen King.
> >       "Consumer marketers increasing their spending by an average of
> >       48 per cent win virtually double the share gains of those who
> >       increase their expenditures more modestly," the book reveals.
> >    3. Consumer values shift The time is ripe for innovation. Consumers
> >       are more willing to adopt new products during recessionary
> >       periods, and companies are often forced to innovate their
> >       offerings. It's a time to capture the changing mood for your
> >       business's benefit.
> >    4. Maintain brand equity Tough times mean you need to nurture
> >       brands and businesses while managing costs. This is the time to
> >       exploit your position against your competitors. Holding firm to
> >       a brand strategy can pay significant dividends in the long term.
> >    5. Convey value There is nothing more valuable than our planet.
> >       Green businesses and marketers are doing all of us a great
> >       favour by creating goods and services that will literally make
> >       the world a better place. Don't forget to tell people about all
> >       your great work.
> >
> > *To discuss cost-effective marketing opportunities with Australia's
> > most trusted environmental magazine, please contact Krissy Mander
> > <mailto:kristina.mander at lunamedia.com.au> or Tatyana Kovalyov
> > <%20mailto:tatyana.kovalyov at lunamedia.com.au> on 02 9310 8512. *
> >
> > G magazine
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From stever at syntithenai.com  Fri Nov 14 00:07:09 2008
From: stever at syntithenai.com (Steve Ryan)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:07:09 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about green
	marketing in times of economic turbulence]
In-Reply-To: <20081113115939.QXWM3509.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@home030360e126>
References: <1226525213_422365@mailstor.netspeed.com.au>
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Message-ID: <b08dd3f30811130507j369ef559w7dc4852205e33498@mail.gmail.com>

End of the day we all make decisions about ME. Parochialism is a fundamental
human reality. Me includes my mates. No fun drinking beer alone. We're all
economists. We all make decisions to get the best result for ME in MY
economic world.

I'm one of the minority who believes my(and my mates)  best interests are
going to affected by things like climate change and peak oil. I act
accordingly, trying to reduce consumption and create physical and social
structures around me that will ease the effects.

The majority of the population don't see it. Don't blame them. There is no
really nasty short term implications of continuing to guzzle energy.

In my economic world trees cost nothing, water costs almost nothing,
salination and species loss - no cost :) no worries.

Largely our economic world is based in a very short time frame.
Government thinks three years ahead. Parochialism for a government is money
in the budget and votes at the next election. Business looks further ahead
into the short medium term because most successful businesses hope to be
around many years into the future.
Most individuals are doing well to be planning weeks ahead (maybe that's
just me).

My brother would argue that as intelligent human beings we can see into the
future and see into implications that may result from seemingly harmless
activity now. We have very complex social rules that require sensitivity and
foresight so the skills are there.  CFC's and now climate change are two
issues where that has happened to some extent on a global scale which is
impressive however I think it is a minority of the population that do think
in broader terms than their physical world. (The Internet has helped us blur
the line of us and them over international borders)

I reckon the only way most entities will modify their behavior is when they
can see clear consequences of not doing so. We're all lazy. In some
countries, the government compensates for the lazyness of the population by
regulation. Put a serious price on carbon and people will wake up quick
smart. It's very sad to see that our government exclude all the entities
that matter from this cost.

Social and eco justice are airy fairy concepts. Meat and potatoes please.
Shite, do my pears cost that much to send to China, get packed in a can and
shipped back. Maybe there is a cheaper way?

If I can fly around the world for the cost of a couple of weeks wages why
the hell not.

My somewhat unfortunate conclusion is that the consequences of humanity are
going to have to get a lot worse before the majority really cares less.
Pehaps Liz is right, 'a lot worse' will only be a small hiccup in the
history of the 21st century. Perhaps 'a lot worse' is seriously ugly. It is
already seriously ugly in a global perspective.

I acknowledge those that find optimism in our broadening sense of
parochialism. I've formed some great relationships with software developers
world wide that I freely share information and resources with. For all that,
if I have a choice between maintaining my Internet access or people starving
in Africa   ........... not in my backyard.

Maybe one day in the future our broadening sense of place in the world will
involve us in International government that regulates on behalf of the mass
of humanity to keep us on a sustainable track. Maybe the sky is going to
deliver 2 inches per day of water for the next two weeks ;)

Maybe I'm going to have to buy water. Ouch. Guess I'll use less of it.


Steve Ryan
Software Engineer
stever at syntithenai.com
phone (work) 02 64920610
260 Spring Creek Road Buckajo NSW 2550
Australia
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From stever at syntithenai.com  Fri Nov 14 00:13:21 2008
From: stever at syntithenai.com (Steve Ryan)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 00:13:21 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Please unsubscribe
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To all those people who haven't been lucky enough to go through the course
RTFM101, a helpful hint.

*There are links to unsubscribe to this mailing list on every email that you
receive.*

The folks at Austcom have been kind enough to provide this free service for
us all to use. It's a bit rich asking them to do additional work for free.
Especially seeing as they have provided a completely self serve facility.

For those folks that feel a bit uncertain about using technology the
community college(www.the*bega*valley.org.au/fsccc.html)  offers a wide
range of courses to get you up and running.

hope that helps
cheers
Steve
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From anadodero at bigpond.com  Sat Nov 15 08:36:50 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 08:36:50 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Fw: [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about
	greenmarketing in times of economic turbulence]
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Ana Walker 
To: stever at syntithenai.com 
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about greenmarketing in times of economic turbulence]


I hardly read your mails guys, no time for that luxury, but today I opened the above.

Doris Lessing, one of my favourites authors, says the people are "ignorant and stupid" in her novel 'Shikasta', while she's describing the history of the Western and Eastern world. Very arrogant comment, but..... 

Don't worry, be happy, and as the new-age says: be possitive, ha ha.

Ana  
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From anadodero at bigpond.com  Sat Nov 15 09:48:53 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 09:48:53 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] another little comment.
Message-ID: <003501c946ab$2c1e6070$e2e38b90@19ffa783137a4f4>

"You can take the horse to the water but can not force it to drink".

Also: I think the best orator at the CEFE forum was Mark Kiesendorf, lecturer at the University of NSW. He accused the Federal Government to support the coal industry which "got lots" of money while renewable energy resources received none. He said he was disappointed the gov. broke ALL its promises. It doesn't surprise me.

Then Dr. Kiesendorf said the only way to change government decisions is through public action, protests, "pacific" demonstrations. 
Is it? If so, perhaps we could also organize a BIG local protest against the cost of the rates in the Bega Shire. We are paying more than Sydney North Shore house owners and receiving less or non services. It wouldn't happen in other parts or the world, like Paris or Buenos Aires... people just wouldn't pay. The Council can evict a couple of subjects who don't pay but not the whole population.

Hope the Bermagui walk against logging goes well today. 

Sorry about the mixture of subjects, I get sidetracked very easily, and sorry for myself, who probably came to be part of the "black list" of subversion and one of the 'annoying' persons who block-up the e-mails boxes.

Ana


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From anadodero at bigpond.com  Sat Nov 15 15:20:17 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:20:17 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] it is Dr.Mark Diesendorf. Sorry, typing mistake.
Message-ID: <006501c946d9$7b804060$889a8a90@19ffa783137a4f4>

co-ordination failed..... 3rd.finger right-left? it must be old age, ha ha.
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From greg at austcom.org.au  Sun Nov 16 00:26:12 2008
From: greg at austcom.org.au (Greg Coram)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:26:12 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] NOTE FROM SYSTEM ADMINISTRATOR
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From brogopg at bigpond.net.au  Sun Nov 16 04:32:45 2008
From: brogopg at bigpond.net.au (Champagne)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 04:32:45 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Its Party Time
Message-ID: <491F07BD.2030606@bigpond.net.au>

Hello everyone,

Here in Bega we have two more events at Niagara Cafe that will wrap up 
an amazing half year of Transition Towns in the South East.

This coming Wednesday we focus on the important issue of TRANSPORT. This 
is obviously a critical component for any region facing oil 
depletion.Talks, discussion and brainstorming.Starting at 7.00pm with a 
gold coin donation at entry.

Then, a fitting finale to the year. Time to party and celebrate and no 
better way than a dinner at Niagara Cafe offering local food on the 
menu. Book early as there is a limit of 45 places available.

The Permablitz crew are ready to swing into action and will present 
their design and claim the date for a make over of a Bega backyard 
before xmass.

kind regards
John

*The Transition Private Party - Niagara Cafe *

100 km dinner  - PermaBlitz wrap up - Transition Party

*Wednesday 10th December - 6:30pm*

$15 a head donation to Transition Towns

Vego and Meato Ceasar Salad
Please bring a plate and drinks to share

*Limited spaces - Book Early*

Bookings - 6492 5000
Email - geoffrey at austcom.org.au

From anadodero at bigpond.com  Sun Nov 16 08:18:09 2008
From: anadodero at bigpond.com (Ana Walker)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2008 08:18:09 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] [Fwd: 5 Things you should know about
	greenmarketing in times of economic turbulence]
References: <1226525213_422365@mailstor.netspeed.com.au><20081113115939.QXWM3509.nskntotgx01p.mx.bigpond.com@home030360e126>
	<b08dd3f30811130507j369ef559w7dc4852205e33498@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003001c94767$ee3f28d0$4c9a8a90@19ffa783137a4f4>

By the way Steve, I love meat and potatoes. It's practically the only thing people eat in Argentina (40 or 50 millions?? ), where I was born.
But I respect buddhists and vegetarians.

Nothing wrong with eating meat in Australia: we have millions of kangaroos ! a pitty I can not buy it 'cause it's too expensive.

What do you mean : " put a serious price in carbon and people will wake up quick smart" ? I think the provision of solar power should be free for the public. I never could afford to install it, rebates or not.

Finally, I don't like beer, prefer a glass of wine with my 'mates'.

Ana


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From geoffrey at austcom.org.au  Mon Nov 17 17:58:57 2008
From: geoffrey at austcom.org.au (Geoffrey Grigg)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2008 17:58:57 +1100
Subject: [Transitiontown] Email over-load
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